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Old 01-01-2008, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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First of all, minorities are firmly in the Democrat corner because the Democrats realized that they can play on their fears of oppression to get votes. They don't actually have to do anything about it or actually improve their lot in life any, as long as they convince XYZ group that they care about them.
You must really think minorities are pretty naive, huh? Can't think for themselves? Just led around like sheep in return for empty promises?

Maybe...just maybe...that kind of attitude or perception by Republicans is what makes them trend Democratic.

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Old 01-01-2008, 05:54 PM
 
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You must really think minorities are pretty naive, huh? Can't think for themselves? Just led around like sheep in return for empty promises?

Maybe...just maybe...that kind of attitude is what makes them trend Democratic.
Psssssst, hey Bily4, almost reminds me of Rousseau's philosophy of the "Noble savage"

Forgive them for they know not what they do.
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Old 01-01-2008, 06:07 PM
 
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You are wrong. It is not a matter of being anti-Semitic. It is just a fact the early ones were Jewish and Zionist. They do not necessarily think of the interest of American people as a whole. There is no need to use code words and be politically correct. They are former Trotskyites and not conservative at all. Ron Paul is an American Conservative, and Pat Buchanan even more so.

I agree with you neo-conservatives can be Democrats or Republicans. They support whomever that serve their agendas.

"This book which will come as a surprise to many educated observers and historians suggests that Jews and Jewish intellectuals have played a considerable role in the development and shaping of modern American conservatism. The focus is on the rise of a group of Jewish intellectuals and activists known as neoconservatives who began to impact on American public policy during the Cold War with the Soviet Union and most recently in the lead up to and invasion of Iraq. It presents a portrait of the life and work of the original and small group of neocons including Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, and Sidney Hook. This group has grown into a new generation who operate as columnists in conservative think tanks like The Heritage and The American Enterprise Institute, at colleges and universities, and in government in the second Bush Administration including such lightning rod figures as Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Elliot Abrams. The book suggests the neo cons have been so significant in reshaping modern American conservatism and public policy that they constitute a Neoconservative Revolution." ( http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/c...sbn=0521545013 )

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They are a group of people who have a legitimate perspective and view. They are not demons, or code words for Jews or Israeli supporters, or some secret cabal of the great right wing conspiracy. They are merely people with a n objective that also have certain qualities or traits.
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Old 01-01-2008, 06:10 PM
 
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You must really think minorities are pretty naive, huh? Can't think for themselves? Just led around like sheep in return for empty promises?

Maybe...just maybe...that kind of attitude or perception by Republicans is what makes them trend Democratic.
Actually, yeah, I think Democrats/liberals are among the most racist people in the country. They seem to really think that no black, hispanic, woman, muslim, homosexual, whatever, can make it without some sort of government handout, program, or protection.

In essence, it is the liberal in America that tells minorities they are too stupid, incompetent, lazy, whatever to succeed unless the Democrats are there to help them.

But Republicans get billed as racist. Funny world we live in, huh?
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Old 01-01-2008, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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In essence, it is the liberal in America that tells minorities they are too stupid, incompetent, lazy, whatever to succeed unless the Democrats are there to help them.
And you think they all buy it? So the majority vote Democratic? Interesting hypothesis...
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Old 01-01-2008, 06:16 PM
 
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That is exactly what Social Democratic and Leftist parties do in Europe. The latter do not have much influence beyond helping the Social Democrats win.

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First of all, minorities are firmly in the Democrat corner because the Democrats realized that they can play on their fears of oppression to get votes. They don't actually have to do anything about it or actually improve their lot in life any, as long as they convince XYZ group that they care about them.
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Old 01-01-2008, 06:18 PM
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Well, it isn't too much trouble to figure out which way the "golden children" are going to be leaning so long as the right-wing is weighted down with the "No Amnesty - Deport Them All" crowd. Until some Republicans find the backbone to stand up to these yahoos and tell them that they can just go ahead and overload the fax and voice-mail systems and it's all just plain too bad for them, the Democrats appear likely to be running up sizable pluralities among Hispanic voters...
To which, Democrats are going to be losing a sizable portion of their blue-collar "Mustache Democrat" base... and that's the trade-off.

Lots and lots of people are really, really pissed about this issue. Both parties are in the ****ty position of having to appease Hispanic sentiment (which, by in large, is unquestionably pro illegal immigration behind closed doors) but also having to pacify the larger white majority who is sick and tired of so many American cities and towns turning into Guadalajara.
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Old 01-01-2008, 06:19 PM
 
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I find the word "racist" strange and confusing. Do you mean to imply that the Democratic offerings are enabling? And if so, I assume you object to the programs offered and/or developed by government.

Do you have some constructive suggestions and/or alternatives for same?


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Actually, yeah, I think Democrats/liberals are among the most racist people in the country. They seem to really think that no black, hispanic, woman, muslim, homosexual, whatever, can make it without some sort of government handout, program, or protection.

In essence, it is the liberal in America that tells minorities they are too stupid, incompetent, lazy, whatever to succeed unless the Democrats are there to help them.

But Republicans get billed as racist. Funny world we live in, huh?
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Old 01-01-2008, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Journey's End
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Can you expound on this paragraph: Who is a Trotskyite?

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You are wrong. It is not a matter of being anti-Semitic. It is just a fact the early ones were Jewish and Zionist. They do not necessarily think of the interest of American people as a whole. There is no need to use code words and be politically correct. They are former Trotskyites and not conservative at all. Ron Paul is an American Conservative, and Pat Buchanan even more so.
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Old 01-01-2008, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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To which case, Democrats are going to be losing a sizable portion of their blue-collar "Mustache Democrat" base... and that's the trade-off.
Nah, I really don't think so. I think in general blue-collar Democrats are more concerned about their manufacturing jobs getting sent to China or Mexico, or their kids over in Iraq, or how are they going to pay for their medical prescriptions, then Jose mowing lawns and dishwashing. These issues seem to be getting addressed more by the Democratic candidates than Republican candidates.
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