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Old 11-10-2014, 01:39 PM
 
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Wrong. If you tell me that A = B. and You tell me that B = C, why is it illogical for me to say that the consequence is that A = C?
In that case, poor whites should considered to be poor because of racism. Do you believe that?
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Old 11-10-2014, 01:47 PM
 
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I think some people sometimes use the race card to couch classism in racial terms because classism is generally considered acceptable and thus playing the class card doesn't work.
Except there is no such thing as class in the United States. That is commie-speak and is not relevant when discussing economic dynamics in this political entity.

Class infers stasis, that one is chained to a particular economic strata for ever. It is the same as an Indian style caste system.

Socialists believe that the borgeoisie is permanent and the only way to give power to the "working class" is through violent revolution to seize ownership of the factors of production.

In the United States, anyone can rise from poverty to wealth through hard work, education, and perseverance.

I do agree that race is used as a proxy for socio-economic levels, but it is not valid because poverty is colorblind.

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Old 11-10-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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You see.....I cannot help but to conclude that you are either racist by intent or you are a staunch idealist who ends up being a racist in effect. This is predicated upon the assumption that you are not stupid.
Did you really just say that a person can be racist without trying?
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Old 11-10-2014, 02:10 PM
 
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In 1914 I'd agree about the Irish, Italians and Jews. In 2014 since we're ALL now "anglo white" or "WASP", our vote is up for grabs.
You know, None of those groups are actually white
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Old 11-10-2014, 02:30 PM
 
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You mean like weathermen beats the drums of weather?

Let me give you a quick example of racism.

When 90% of black people voting Democrat is interpreted as blacks being too stupid to know what is best for them. Even if one believes that it is stupid for anyone to vote for Democrats....the fact that 90% of blacks do but only about 45% of whites do implies, from the premise, that blacks are more stupid than whites.

It's when a person believes in an ideology or mantra that says that poor people are poor mostly because of internal flaws, or inferior traits, relative to people who are more successful. In other words, people are poor because they are not smart like the more successful people and therefor they make poor choices. They are not as responsible as successful people. They do not have the work ethic of successful people...etc. When one harbors this ideology, believes and preaches it....then what does that mean they think about black poverty being 3 times that of whites? One cannot hold onto those ideals about people in general, without concluding consciously or subconsciously that blacks are inferior to whites because we are poorer than whites on a per capita basis.

You see....I see many, many examples of racism daily...simply reading this forum and peoples reasoning. The above are examples of the demonstration of such. People like you do not see racism because terms like the N word are not use and people are not saying that they hate or doing any other overt demonstrations. But guess what........THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE IS CENSORED. Anyone using that kind of language KNOW that they will be banned and their post deleted!!! America censors and ostracizes overt displays of racism....so the result is that racism is covert.....like in the examples that I provided.

I don't agree with what you say all the time, but well said all the way around in this case.

"When 90% of black people voting Democrat is interpreted as blacks being too stupid to know what is best for them. Even if one believes that it is stupid for anyone to vote for Democrats...."

If I was black I would vote Democrat over Republican 90% of the time, as it is the lessor of two Evils, especially since many view the Republican party as the party of the KKK or other unsavory groups. Even though people like LBJ were out and out Racist he wasn't going to lynch you.

"then what does that mean they think about black poverty being 3 times that of whites? One cannot hold onto those ideals about people in general, without concluding consciously or subconsciously that blacks are inferior to whites because we are poorer than whites on a per capita basis."

If all was 'really equal' that could be a fair assumption that many would have.

"so the result is that racism is covert"

I would have to agree that some has been driven underground. Most is 'Out of sight, out of mind', 'If I don't see it, it most not exist.
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Old 11-10-2014, 04:30 PM
 
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I just read about something called "environmental racism". It involves the idea that factories that reduce air quality are intentionally placed in areas where black people live. Yeah, people actually dream up stuff like that.

It probably has more to do with them putting it in low-income areas which are also minority communities. It happens in rural white areas as well. They mainly pick places where they know that people do not have enough clout to really get things shut down. You wouldn't try putting it in T Boon Pickens' backyard but you might try the poorer area miles away with poor voter turnout and less of a voice.
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Old 11-10-2014, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Indentured servant define "racism". It DOESN'T just apply to persons of color being discriminated against and if you think it does, that makes you "racist" for thinking that. ANYBODY can be discriminated against due to their skin color and that skin color can be white. And yes, the card is indeed dropped too often and too conveniently.
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Old 11-10-2014, 10:53 PM
 
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If I was black I would vote Democrat over Republican 90% of the time, as it is the lessor of two Evils, especially since many view the Republican party as the party of the KKK or other unsavory groups. .
The only reason someone would do that is because of Dem propaganda, since the KKK has always been affiliated with the Democratic Party.
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Old 11-11-2014, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I question your working definition of "racism". I think the color played a role in the primaries and Obama getting the black vote, but saying that color played a role is different than saying that role was "racist".

Racism:

noun

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com

I think that black people wanted to see another black person FINALLY GET A CHANCE. It was historic and a first. Now....if Another black person runs in the primaries in 2016....and gets 90% of the black vote...then I would concede your point. However, there cannot be another "First" and if another black person ran in the Dem Primaries against say....Hilary.....I bet you they would not get the majority of the black vote. Maybe a "black women".....but definitely not a black man.
I agree that I was using a watered down definition of racism that has been popularized primarily by the left. In the absence of distinct policy differences individuals, when given the option, tend to vote for those of their own ethnicity with this tendency being stronger among historical led persecuted ethnicities
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Old 11-11-2014, 03:48 AM
 
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I don't agree with what you say all the time, but well said all the way around in this case.

"When 90% of black people voting Democrat is interpreted as blacks being too stupid to know what is best for them. Even if one believes that it is stupid for anyone to vote for Democrats...."

If I was black I would vote Democrat over Republican 90% of the time, as it is the lessor of two Evils, especially since many view the Republican party as the party of the KKK or other unsavory groups. Even though people like LBJ were out and out Racist he wasn't going to lynch you.

"then what does that mean they think about black poverty being 3 times that of whites? One cannot hold onto those ideals about people in general, without concluding consciously or subconsciously that blacks are inferior to whites because we are poorer than whites on a per capita basis."

If all was 'really equal' that could be a fair assumption that many would have.

"so the result is that racism is covert"

I would have to agree that some has been driven underground. Most is 'Out of sight, out of mind', 'If I don't see it, it most not exist.
I don't really like the Republicans as a whole and there have certainly been quite a few openly racist Republicans (David Duke and Strom Thurmond for instance), but give me a break.

Party of the KKK? Excuse me, but what political party did George Wallace and other major Segregationists belong to? What political party openly courted the KKK in the 1920s? Even though prominent Democrat Robert Byrd founded a chapter of the Ku Klux Klan. He wasn't just a member and he wasn't just a leader, but he formed a new chapter in the 1940s and personally recruited over 100 men to join.

Sorry, but if the majority of black view the Republicans as the party of the Klan; that is patently BS.

Both parties have their racists. The Republicans are more "The police keep the blacks from getting too uppity" racist and the Democrats are more "As long as they do what is expected of them; they get to sit at our table" racist.
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