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Old 11-08-2014, 10:40 AM
 
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Are you (OP) suggesting that there is some secret pact between the left and right to merely pretend that they disagree on major issues?
No, I'm not suggesting that there's some shadow government pulling strings. It's just a sub conscious tactic that the political elite uses. I'm one of the last ones to entertain conspiracy theories.
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Old 11-08-2014, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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When will people realize this? Public policy and the world is much more complex than liberal vs conservative.
Only naive people lacking knowledge believe that.

The Conservative view on Education worked.

The US cranked out engineers and mathematicians and scientists of all flavors. Those people led the US from the 2nd Level Economy into the 3rd Level Economy (1950s), and then on into the 4th Level Economy (1970s).

Liberals took over the Education System and totally destroyed it.

Did the US move into the 5th Level Economy in the mid-1990s? No.
Is there anyone in the US who can lead America into the 5th Level Economy? No.
Do you have any Human Capital for the 5th Level Economy? No.

When will the US be able to advance into the 5th Level Economy?

40-45 years after Conservative polices are restored to the Education System.

Liberals have damaged America so badly that it will take about 20 years just to educate the people who will be able to teach the people who will lead you into the 5th Level Economy, and then about 20-25 years to teach the people who will actually take you there.

The harmful and damaging Liberal position is for two people, each receiving $1,100/month in Social Security Disability or Retirement....

to equal $2092.95 per month in Cincinnati
to equal $761.07. per month in San Fransisco

....due to the differences in Cost-of Living and Purchasing Power.

The Conservative position is to restore/return Social Security back to the States where it originated -- 35 of the States had social security programs before FDR violated the Constitution and nationalized them.

Because the States are operating their own programs, payments/benefits are relative, and no one is harmed.

The Liberal position is that a minimum wage worker should pay $96/month to receive $763/month in Social Security benefits.

The Conservative position is to privatize the Old Age & Survivors Insurance program as private insurance under the supervision/regulation of each State, so that a minimum wage worker can pay $21/month and get $1,600/month in benefits.

The Conservative position is objectively superior.

Under the inferior Liberal position, two families of four each receiving $400/month in Food Stamps except that $400 buys....

$578.13 worth of food in Cincinnati.
$210.23 worth of food in San Fransisco

....due to the differences in Cost-of Living and Purchasing Power.

Under the superior Conservative position, the Food Stamp program is turned over to the States, who can then end the suffering and harm caused by Liberals.

The inferior Liberal position is to tax a woman in Indiana earning $16/hour who does not get her rent paid by tax-payers under HUD Section 8 and give the tax money to a guy in Connecticut who earns $26.75/hour --- $53,490 annually -- and gets his rent subsidized under HUD Section 8 by tax-payers.

Some guy earning $7.25/hour in Monroe County, Mississippi makes too much money to have tax-payers pay his rent, but he has to pay taxes so some joker earning $26.75/hour can have his rent paid by tax-payers.

The superior Conservative position is to disband HUD. The States are free to set up their own housing programs, and if the people of Connecticut want to pay the rent for a single guy earning $26.75/hour that's their business, but the rest of the people in America aren't forced to play that game.

The stupid Liberal position is to do everything in their power to protect hospital monopolies so that Americans can be price-gouged to death with $55,000 appendectomies and $117,000 assistant surgeon "fees" and then whine and cry like little sissies that "insurance companies" charge too much.

The Conservative position is overwhelmingly superior. Eliminate the hospital monopolies, so that Americans pay the real true Market cost -- about $2,800 -- for appendectomies.

Not only does that make medical care truly really affordable for all Americans, it also slashes prices on the cost "health insurance" so that it is truly affordable for all Americans, and for the handful that still can't afford it, that's where the States offer help, not the federal government.

More importantly than that, what is happening here?

Aren't you reducing the federal tax burden for Americans?

Oh, yes, absolutely, plus down-sizing government.

At the end of the day, you're looking at the federal government having less control, and more power-sharing between the People, the States and the government as the Constitution intended.

And that is the real problem.....Liberals want massive government control with an equally massive bureaucracy and no power-sharing at all with the People and the States totally subordinate to the federal government.

I can tell you right, no Liberal will dare address the facts here; instead they'll engage in fallacies and drivel on about society and morality.

Laughing at the superior intellect....


Mircea
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:05 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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No, I'm not suggesting that there's some shadow government pulling strings. It's just a sub conscious tactic that the political elite uses. I'm one of the last ones to entertain conspiracy theories.
So they are just subconsciously disagreeing with each other, but in fact really agree with each other?
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y
Ok I got my tin foil hat on now let me hear it.......
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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When will people realize this? Public policy and the world is much more complex than liberal vs conservative.
Wrong
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:15 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
Only naive people lacking knowledge believe that.

The Conservative view on Education worked.

The US cranked out engineers and mathematicians and scientists of all flavors. Those people led the US from the 2nd Level Economy into the 3rd Level Economy (1950s), and then on into the 4th Level Economy (1970s).

Liberals took over the Education System and totally destroyed it.

Did the US move into the 5th Level Economy in the mid-1990s? No.
Is there anyone in the US who can lead America into the 5th Level Economy? No.
Do you have any Human Capital for the 5th Level Economy? No.

When will the US be able to advance into the 5th Level Economy?

40-45 years after Conservative polices are restored to the Education System.

Liberals have damaged America so badly that it will take about 20 years just to educate the people who will be able to teach the people who will lead you into the 5th Level Economy, and then about 20-25 years to teach the people who will actually take you there.

The harmful and damaging Liberal position is for two people, each receiving $1,100/month in Social Security Disability or Retirement....

to equal $2092.95 per month in Cincinnati
to equal $761.07. per month in San Fransisco

....due to the differences in Cost-of Living and Purchasing Power.

The Conservative position is to restore/return Social Security back to the States where it originated -- 35 of the States had social security programs before FDR violated the Constitution and nationalized them.

Because the States are operating their own programs, payments/benefits are relative, and no one is harmed.

The Liberal position is that a minimum wage worker should pay $96/month to receive $763/month in Social Security benefits.

The Conservative position is to privatize the Old Age & Survivors Insurance program as private insurance under the supervision/regulation of each State, so that a minimum wage worker can pay $21/month and get $1,600/month in benefits.

The Conservative position is objectively superior.

Under the inferior Liberal position, two families of four each receiving $400/month in Food Stamps except that $400 buys....

$578.13 worth of food in Cincinnati.
$210.23 worth of food in San Fransisco

....due to the differences in Cost-of Living and Purchasing Power.

Under the superior Conservative position, the Food Stamp program is turned over to the States, who can then end the suffering and harm caused by Liberals.

The inferior Liberal position is to tax a woman in Indiana earning $16/hour who does not get her rent paid by tax-payers under HUD Section 8 and give the tax money to a guy in Connecticut who earns $26.75/hour --- $53,490 annually -- and gets his rent subsidized under HUD Section 8 by tax-payers.

Some guy earning $7.25/hour in Monroe County, Mississippi makes too much money to have tax-payers pay his rent, but he has to pay taxes so some joker earning $26.75/hour can have his rent paid by tax-payers.

The superior Conservative position is to disband HUD. The States are free to set up their own housing programs, and if the people of Connecticut want to pay the rent for a single guy earning $26.75/hour that's their business, but the rest of the people in America aren't forced to play that game.

The stupid Liberal position is to do everything in their power to protect hospital monopolies so that Americans can be price-gouged to death with $55,000 appendectomies and $117,000 assistant surgeon "fees" and then whine and cry like little sissies that "insurance companies" charge too much.

The Conservative position is overwhelmingly superior. Eliminate the hospital monopolies, so that Americans pay the real true Market cost -- about $2,800 -- for appendectomies.

Not only does that make medical care truly really affordable for all Americans, it also slashes prices on the cost "health insurance" so that it is truly affordable for all Americans, and for the handful that still can't afford it, that's where the States offer help, not the federal government.

More importantly than that, what is happening here?

Aren't you reducing the federal tax burden for Americans?

Oh, yes, absolutely, plus down-sizing government.

At the end of the day, you're looking at the federal government having less control, and more power-sharing between the People, the States and the government as the Constitution intended.

And that is the real problem.....Liberals want massive government control with an equally massive bureaucracy and no power-sharing at all with the People and the States totally subordinate to the federal government.

I can tell you right, no Liberal will dare address the facts here; instead they'll engage in fallacies and drivel on about society and morality.

Laughing at the superior intellect....


Mircea


And here comes the armchair economist
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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So they are just subconsciously disagreeing with each other, but in fact really agree with each other?
Yes because there's not much any difference in reality.
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:21 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by knowledgeiskey View Post
When will people realize this? Public policy and the world is much more complex than liberal vs conservative.
Oh? Is it really, now?

What's so complex about understanding the difference between what "Progressives" believe about America and our founding principles, and what Conservatives know and believe about it? It is "day and night" for anyone who bothers to study it. There is absolutely zero similarity between them.

This fact has a major influence on how they view the world, and their foreign policy. And it is no more complex than Liberty vs. Freedom, and in that regard, I think Republicans are far more capable of making wise foreign policy decisions.

Hell, Obama doesn't even recognize that the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. He actually enables them, and facilitates them, and he has MB operatives working in his administration! No Republican would ever do this, and it is because of ideological differences; i..e., "liberal vs. conservative."

Democrats see the World through rose colored glasses. They think that "they want the same things we want." That is why they are such a failure at dealing with evil.
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:22 AM
 
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Oh? Is it really, now?

What's so complex about understanding the difference between what "Progressives" believe about America and our founding principles, and what Conservatives know and believe about it? It is "day and night" for anyone who bothers to study it. There is absolutely zero similarity between them.

This fact has a major influence on how they view the world, and their foreign policy. And it is no more complex than Liberty vs. Freedom, and in that regard, I think Republicans are far more capable of making wise foreign policy decisions.

Hell, Obama doesn't even recognize that the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. He actually enables them, and facilitates them, and he has MB operatives working in his administration! No Republican would ever do this, and it is because of ideological differences; i..e., "liberal vs. conservative."

Democrats see the World through rose colored glasses. They think that "they want the same things we want." That is why they are such a failure at dealing with evil.
There's a difference in foreign policy between Democratic and Republican presidents? You actually believe this? lol
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Homeless
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Only naive people lacking knowledge believe that.

The Conservative view on Education worked.



Umm Bush signed the No child left behind act. Yeah because making a child feel bad because he/she can't read or do basic math is ok. Just let them go on to the next grade.
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