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Most conservatives saw past the Deception in this bill from the start.
I assume the ignorant he refers to must be the Democrats who bought all the lies ?
Sad someone calls their supporters ignorant and stupid.
Sadly, the citizens in our country tend to know/worry more about pseudo celebrities than what our government is doing. Those who make policy know this and are laughing at how easy we make it for them. Otherwise, I agree with you that many conservatives saw past the lies but were mocked for pointing it out.
Your link contradicts what you're saying about "always". Although it presents multiple polls that say that a majority of Americans have usually opposed ACA, there are still some polls that say it was favored by a majority at various points in time. You're right that ACA has usually been unpopular with most Americans though. Why Kaiser's poll is so divergent from these other polls is a mystery to me.
Kaiser's poll shows that ACA has lost majority support around January of 2011. But the polls on RCP say it lost majority support much earlier than that.
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tax increases wouldnt pass because the Republicans believe all taxes are horrific assaults upon people, probably created byt he devil himself so it was written in such a way that it wouldnt be labeled as taxes.
The Republicans still didn't support it. That's not who was deceived.
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And is he wrong?
No, he's not wrong. Is it okay with you that they lied to pass something that wouldn't pass on its own?
Most conservatives saw past the Deception in this bill from the start.
I assume the ignorant he refers to must be the Democrats who bought all the lies?
The Republicans still didn't support it. That's not who was deceived.
Please. Everyone knew what it would do, there are no surprises here really.
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No, he's not wrong. Is it okay with you that they lied to pass something that wouldn't pass on its own?
Given that its calling something a tax vs a cost.....its ot really much of a lie there. Stuff like this is done all the time. Republicans have been pretty blatent about ti as well with stuff.
Overall this is just more "rah rah rah I hate obamacare rah rah rah".
Maybe she also thinks her base is "stupid" enough to believe her.
BINGO!
Neither party is perfect, but look at Obama supporters and look at polls where Democrats are more likely to admit to excusing lies. They defend, excuse, or ignore every lie from Obama. They want the lies if it helps their party politically and are fine with it.
Obama is the biggest liar of any politician, period...and I blame his flock of sheep that accept the lies more than Barack "the pathological liar" Obama himself...
Have noticed or seen the reports that Nanny Pelosi has stated that she never heard of Jonathan Gruber, the architect of Obamacare? This, even while touting how wonderful it is and quoting him for years?
Anyone see a disconnect in her stance?
She either suffers from dementia or complete stupidity
Gruber was a technical consultant. While I can believe she might not remember him (despite quoting him), for her to claim that publicly without reviewing her own notes or files is idiotic.
So really its a question, is she an idiot, or a liar?
Im guessing she is lying. Why?
1. she is a politician.
2. her lips are moving.
So you are excusing her for being a lying moron and claiming that Gruber was merely a "technician" despite being paid over $300k per year and claiming that he advised on how to lie about the entire program. How democratic of you.
Hope someone called 911 and got her the medical care she needs.
Is dementia covered by Obamacare?
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