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Old 11-18-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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It's not "the same comments over and over". There are 6 separate videos and each is very damning. I realize you've been brainwashed to down play his comments as just noise. That's how the left rolls.

"Look at the whole picture and you will find you are being played.". What's funny is, now America is FINALLY seeing the whole picture and seeing how they were being played. Yes, by the Obama administration, but more so by a complicit media that wouldn't do their job.

There were questions at every turn about how they were coming up with their bogus numbers and the media wouldn't ask questions. Obama/Pelosi etc would down play it as politics and the media would bury it for them.

Those of us paying attention knew exactly what was going on and how much of a disaster Obamacare would be. Anyone paying attention could see that it wouldn't work the way they were telling us.

Shame on the media for covering it all up. Shame on Americans for allowing it to happen

 
Old 11-18-2014, 08:15 AM
 
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I was wrong.......Gruber,,,,,, No he was caught....one doesn't misspeak several times over....
 
Old 11-18-2014, 08:20 AM
 
Location: southern california
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Not stupid not uninformed just ripped off
Trouble is those that did it - those they elected -keep telling them someone else did it
 
Old 11-18-2014, 08:22 AM
 
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It's not "the same comments over and over". There are 6 separate videos and each is very damning. I realize you've been brainwashed to down play his comments as just noise. That's how the left rolls.

"Look at the whole picture and you will find you are being played.". What's funny is, now America is FINALLY seeing the whole picture and seeing how they were being played. Yes, by the Obama administration, but more so by a complicit media that wouldn't do their job.

There were questions at every turn about how they were coming up with their bogus numbers and the media wouldn't ask questions. Obama/Pelosi etc would down play it as politics and the media would bury it for them.

Those of us paying attention knew exactly what was going on and how much of a disaster Obamacare would be. Anyone paying attention could see that it wouldn't work the way they were telling us.

Shame on the media for covering it all up. Shame on Americans for allowing it to happen
Exactly - and though people may say he didn't mean to call voters stupid, the fundamental deception he exposed still exists. It's the same deception that allowed Mr. Obama to lie when he said "if you like you plan, you can keep it." Anyone that repeated this argument can consider themselves duped. It never made any sense that you could leave so many people untouched, add 30 million new people all while lowering costs. On it's face, it isn't believable, but many believed it and some still do.
 
Old 11-18-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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Shame on the media for covering it all up. Shame on Americans for allowing it to happen
Its not like we didn't try. Republicans, right-wing media and Conservatives online all tried to warn everyone about the reality of the ACA while it was still being debated. Predictably, any opposition to it was dismissed as hatred of a Black President or hatred of the poor who can't afford health insurance. Democrats proved Gruber's points by blindly supporting the ACA at face value without thinking about the effects and consequences of this massive legislation.

Eventually, most of what we predicted about the ACA has happened pretty much like we said. The Left-wing response is "Republicans didn't offer any alternatives", which is a lie. They had lots of alternative ideas, only the Democrat Congress left GOP healthcare bills to wither and die on the vine.
 
Old 11-18-2014, 08:30 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Their adoration of Obama fogged their eyes of the truth.

People want to believe their leader. This time he is a false leader.
 
Old 11-18-2014, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Insurance premiums are usually appropriately risk-adjusted. Obamacare doesn't allow that. The healthy are being overcharged for their insurance to pay for the sick. Even Gruber admits it. Those who are responsible, physically fit, live a healthy lifestyle, etc., are being overcharged to pay for the negative health consequences of the irresponsible obese, smokers, drug/alcohol abusers, etc.
Appropriate is a charged, subjective and vague word that is absolutely not applicable, under any interpretation of the word, to risk adjustment practices in health insurance when it came to individuals with pre-existing conditions in the micro-group and individual markets - which is where this issue would come into play.

A person with a genetic eye disease that was of-counsel to my firm could not get insurance for his family for less than $3,000/mo in the individual market. We decided to bring him into our firm, and permit him to continue his consulting practice, and enroll in our small group plan for his family at $1,200/mo with no effective impact to our premiums.

The ACA risk pooling mechanisms established for the individual market are a wholly positive change for the consumer, and health insurance as a product and mitigates actuarial restrictions on premium adjustments for the high-risk individual.
 
Old 11-18-2014, 08:35 AM
 
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Oh, man. So, only the right was complaining? From the investors.com article you linked.

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In fact, the existence of Gruber's fat $400,000 contract didn't emerge until after the Senate passed ObamaCare — when a blogger for the left-wing website Daily Kos posted a link in early January 2010 complaining about Gruber's "sole source" contract for "technical assistance in evaluating options for national healthcare reform." The contract claimed that Gruber was the "only one responsible source" available for such help.

Read More At Investor's Business Daily: Obama Lied: Jonathan Gruber Was A Key Player In ObamaCare Deception - Investors.com
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Gruber masqueraded as an independent thinker on healthcare and now there's all these videos of him laughing at the stupid American public.

I suspect it's already been posted but RCP posted a Bret Baier look at the Gruber mess here Bret Baier: Transparency Issues Plagued Obamacare From The Start | Video | RealClearPolitics and Investors Business Daily has an excellent editorial detailing how Obama and Gruber worked as a team to deceive the American public here Obama Lied: Jonathan Gruber Was A Key Player In ObamaCare Deception - Investors.com

Nixon was a piker compared to Obama.
 
Old 11-18-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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Who are the sheep following? The RW media overplaying the same comments over and over. The speaker (Gruber) who said he was wrong for making the comments last week.

Who followed the discussion, those who have gotten the Ins, and find it works just fine and has lower costs. Or the people who listen to the RW media and fall for every website claiming that Obamacare is bad.

Look at the whole picture and you will find you are being played.
So he said he's wrong and that makes it ok in your book?

He goes into great detail on how they manipulated the public on this bill. And yes, they being himself, Obama and his administration.

It's amazing how this stuff just is ok by many Obama lovers on CD. I'm just floored everyday how much you guys will accept and just roll over and take it ... nothing bothers you about Obama.
 
Old 11-18-2014, 08:43 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Appropriate is a charged, subjective and vague word that is absolutely not applicable, under any interpretation of the word, to risk adjustment practices in health insurance when it came to individuals with pre-existing conditions in the micro-group and individual markets - which is where this issue would come into play.
Indeed, it is. That's why states had high risk insurance pools even before the ACA.

States That Have Risk Pools

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The ACA risk pooling mechanisms established for the individual market are a wholly positive change for the consumer
No, they're not. Way too many people have seen their premiums, co-pays, and deductibles skyrocket.
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"Americans who say they’ve been hurt by Obamacare outnumber those who say they’ve benefited from it by more than 2 to 1, according to recent polls by both Rasmussen and Gallup."
The High Costs of Obamacare | RealClearPolitics
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