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Old 11-11-2014, 07:01 AM
 
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Businesses are doing quite well, workers not so well but blaming the EPA for our economic woes is bit melodramatic. Most people will choose clean water and air even at a slightly increased cost.
You have diminishing returns with the escalating costs and It' not just a slight increase. For example an analysis of the cap and trade bill passed by the Democrats in 2009 estimated that cement would increase about 40%, it requires a lot of energy to make cement. You only need cement for house foundations, sidewalks, roads, bridges, schools, airports, business's....

My old man I just put in a sidewalk about 60 ft. by 5 ft. The cost of the Portland was about $300. it would of been $420 at 40% more. That's just a single product but a very important one.
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:20 AM
 
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They have no reason to make use believe they will be rational.

The Keystone Pipeline in itself is irrational.

I repeat: THIRTY FIVE PERMANENT JOBS.

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The proposed Keystone XL pipeline would stretch 875 miles from Western Canada to Steele City, Neb., where it would connect with existing pipelines and usher up to 830,000 barrels of oil per day to refineries on the Gulf Coast.
Do you really believe it only takes 35 people to process and distributed 830,000 barrels of oil per day?
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Do you really believe it only takes 35 people to process and distributed 830,000 barrels of oil per day?
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"There’s very few jobs operating pipelines," said Ian Goodman, president of the Goodman Group Ltd., an energy and economic consulting firm in Berkeley, Calif. "That’s one of the reasons why pipelines are attractive to the oil industry. They’re relatively inexpensive to build and operate."
The report says the project would provide jobs for about 35 permanent employees and 15 temporary contractors.
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Old 11-11-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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You are basing that statement solely from a quote from a CNN talking head. Exactly what knowledge, experience and expertise does he have in the field that would make his statement even remotely credible?
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Old 11-11-2014, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The Keystone Pipeline in itself is irrational.

I repeat: THIRTY FIVE PERMANENT JOBS.
Building a road employes many while it's being built. When the road is complete, none are required. Using your logic that means the road shouldn't be built?

Wow....
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:05 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Ya, forget about the jobs it creates on each end of it.
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Ya, forget about the jobs it creates on each end of it.
How many jobs do Republicans say this will create, and where's the study from which that figure arises? Surely you think more than 35 jobs will be created for a reason.
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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You are basing that statement solely from a quote from a CNN talking head.
No.

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""There’s very few jobs operating pipelines," said Ian Goodman, president of the Goodman Group Ltd., an energy and economic consulting firm in Berkeley, Calif. "That’s one of the reasons why pipelines are attractive to the oil industry. They’re relatively inexpensive to build and operate."
The report says the project would provide jobs for about 35 permanent employees and 15 temporary contractors.
As you can see, your claim is false. Mr. Goodman is the president of a energy industry consulting, not a CNN talking head. Now I know you want to discount the report because it contradicts the claims of Republicans, but I'm not required to humour you or pretend your claim has merit.

Last edited by Seabass Inna Bun; 11-11-2014 at 12:02 PM.. Reason: proper apostrophe use is important
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Old 11-11-2014, 01:45 PM
 
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How many jobs do Republicans say this will create, and where's the study from which that figure arises? Surely you think more than 35 jobs will be created for a reason.
Yes, I believe it will create more than 35 for a very specific reason, the 830,000 barrels of oil must be processed and distributed.

The Valero refinery in Houston handles 160,000 barrels a day and employs 450 people.

Houston

Is that good enough for you?

Tell us why you believe 35 people can process five times that amount.
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Old 11-11-2014, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Yes, I believe it will create more than 35 for a very specific reason, the 830,000 barrels of oil must be processed and distributed.

The Valero refinery in Houston handles 160,000 barrels a day and employs 450 people.
Refineries aren't pipelines.

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Houston

Is that good enough for you?
No. Please cite the reference that tells you how many people this pipeline will employ. As far as I can tell, you're just making numbers up.

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Tell us why you believe 35 people can process five times that amount.
Because experts in the field predict that. You can disagree if you like, the important part is that the guy who claims the figure comes from some CNN commentator is proven wrong. It doesn't come from some CNN commentator, it comes from the industry.
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