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Old 11-11-2014, 04:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by voiceofreazon View Post
Your first problem: the 97% consensus nonsense has been debunked too many times to count
"the assertion that 97% of scientists believe that climate change is a man-made, urgent problem is a fiction. The so-called consensus comes from a handful of surveys and abstract-counting exercises that have been contradicted by more reliable research."
Joseph Bast and Roy Spencer: The Myth of the Climate Change '97%' - WSJ

Your second problem: Science has nothing to with consensus. Good science should WELCOME skepticism, not use a false claim of a huge consensus to attempt to bully it into silence.
#1 you disagree with the number...that i did not in fact state. I said the majority, you have not disputed that, instead you raised a false argument about something I did not say.

#2 Science DOES welcome skepticism....when said skepticism is based on actual science, and not with cherry picked data, falsehoods, and ignorance. I didnt try and bully you into silence using the 97% number for example......but you were more then willing to distort what I said, and make up false arguments on what you wanted me to say.

Good day sir. I say "Good day sir!"
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Really? Those numbers come from the industry? Please point that out in the linked story?
I did. You quoted me doing so.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:35 PM
 
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#1 you disagree with the number...that i did not in fact state. I said the majority, you have not disputed that, instead you raised a false argument about something I did not say.

#2 Science DOES welcome skepticism....when said skepticism is based on actual science, and not with cherry picked data, falsehoods, and ignorance. I didnt try and bully you into silence using the 97% number for example......but you were more then willing to distort what I said, and make up false arguments on what you wanted me to say.

Good day sir. I say "Good day sir!"
Most people when they refer to the majority, refer to the 97% figure. If you do not, what do you consider the majority? 60%? 70%? 80%?

...and by what means of reference have you arrived at that number?
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Since the majority of scientists in the field ALSO believe in climate change,.......
Almost everyone on earth believes in climate change. Probably 100% of the scientists in every field believe in climate change. Even scientists studying the sex life of rats believe in climate change.

Try another line.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Oh. You still believe in the hoax, "Climate Change." Do you also still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?
It's not a hoax, that's just a lie Republicans tell because their talking points aren't supported by any facts. That's why right-wingers have to cheat and pretend creationist weathermen or right-wing bloggers are sources of scientific information.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:45 PM
 
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The GOP in their ongoing war on the environment and to make us more like developing countries will soon start their assault on environmetal regulations. Republican voters will soon get their wish for a new conservative agenda as laws regulating clean air and water will come under assault, which includes the dumping of toxins into the air, rivers and streams. You would think the so-called pro-life party would want to protect children and adults from cancer and abortion inducing toxins being dumped into the environment and the public domain, but go figure, they ostensibly have different priorities. Big donors need to be repaid.

Do you support the gutting of environmental laws or against?


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Senate GOP steeling for battle against EPA | TheHill
So are you saying that Obama will sign these environment destroying bills into law?

Or that dozens of Democrats in both chambers will sign on to these laws overriding the president's veto?
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:45 PM
 
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It's not a hoax, that's just a lie Republicans tell because their talking points aren't supported by any facts. That's why right-wingers have to cheat and pretend creationist weathermen or right-wing bloggers are sources of scientific information.
...or former vice presidents who enrich themselves off of the alarmism that they spew while they fly on private jets and build beachfront mansions while they lecture the rest of us on our carbon footprint and how to seas are going to rise. Lol.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:54 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Since the majority of scientists in the field ALSO believe in climate change, I will assume that "you are one of those folks who: "Well Im no scientist....."
The "majority?" Where's your proof? Actually, the majority do not, and since it has already been proven to be a hoax, I'll go with the majority.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:58 PM
 
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The "majority?" Where's your proof? Actually, the majority do not, and since it has already been proven to be a hoax, I'll go with the majority.
I think everyone does agree with climate change.....I even do.

Just not man made climate change.
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Old 11-11-2014, 05:08 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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How do other countries survive, their energy costs are several times the US yet an increase of a few percent is considered unacceptable. We are one of the largest energy consumers in the world and we also have close to the highest standard of living yet any minor impact to our lifestyle is met with resistance. We don't expect to have cheap fuel, we demand it and anything less is considered a threat to our gross consumption.
Tell, me: Why should we measure ourselves against other countries? Why should we be like them? Their problems are different, their systems (government) are different, etc., which is why things cost more for them. They are socialists.
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