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Old 11-10-2014, 11:27 AM
 
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Without net neutrality there can be hope that liberal tech companies will take over the internet and shut down/price out all the conservative websites!
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Old 11-10-2014, 11:28 AM
 
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Regulate the Internet to keep it free and open,,,Now I've heard it all......I can see where this will lead already.....
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Old 11-10-2014, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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is there ANYONE (aside from internet providers) who are actually opposed to this??

THINK before you speak.
Idiot Ted Cruz is against it because Obama. I can't believe ditto-heads are lining up to support a throttling of their internet speeds.

"'Net Neutrality' is Obamacare for the Internet; the Internet should not operate at the speed of government," tweeted Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).
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Old 11-10-2014, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Regulate the Internet to keep it free and open,,,Now I've heard it all......I can see where this will lead already.....
Without any comprehension of the facts of the issue, no you can't........."see where this will lead".
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Old 11-10-2014, 11:31 AM
 
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ISPs are already fiddling with broadband speed delivery, as we speak.
An example of this is ISPs who want to deliver content are slowing down competitor's content to make their's more attractive. It's pure manipulation by the ISP providers.
As far as Tuna vs. Steak..........., anyone who pay's for basic 1.5mhz broadband should get 1.5mhz broadband, uniformly across the spectrum.
conversely, if your ISP advertises 50.0mhz broadband bundles but slows down all your netflix movies, then you are being manipulated by the ISPs.

Bottom line, We the people own the airwaves. The ISPs just package content and deliver it through the publicly owned airwaves. The control should be in "We the people's" hands and not in the ISPs hands.
How can one ISP control their competitor's content speed? By being the cable company. Ok, sure, that you can get rid of, just like breaking up Ma Bell. We don't get that problem where I live because there is no cable - internet comes via DSL and it's just not a problem.

One could easily regulate the get what you pay for aspect of this using existing tort law that prevents companies from advertising a pound of coffee for sale when they only deliver to you 10 oz. Same goes really for getting the cable providers out of the ISP business. That can be done without regulating the internet as a utility.

I agree with you though, that if you pay for 1.5 Mbps that is what you should get. I just have no problem with those who want 2 Mbps having to pay a premium for it.
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Old 11-10-2014, 11:32 AM
 
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Idiot Ted Cruz is against it because Obama.

"'Net Neutrality' is Obamacare for the Internet; the Internet should not operate at the speed of government," tweeted Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).
he is such a mental midget.

did he pay someone off for that degree?? seriously!
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Old 11-10-2014, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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How can one ISP control their competitor's content speed? By being the cable company. Ok, sure, that you can get rid of, just like breaking up Ma Bell. We don't get that problem where I live because there is no cable - internet comes via DSL and it's just not a problem.

One could easily regulate the get what you pay for aspect of this using existing tort law that prevents companies from advertising a pound of coffee for sale when they only deliver to you 10 oz. Same goes really for getting the cable providers out of the ISP business. That can be done without regulating the internet as a utility.

I agree with you though, that if you pay for 1.5 Mbps that is what you should get. I just have no problem with those who want 2 Mbps having to pay a premium for it.
Looks like we're mostly on the same page over the issue, then.
The real point of the matter is that the carrier waves are owned by the people, in common. The issue is who will control those commonly owned carrier waves as applied to the internet.
the people or the ISP providers?
Common thinking is "We the people" should control and regulate the internet carrier waves through our existing agencies like the FCC. The ISPs can maintain control over content that flows over those carrier waves.
Carrier waves belong to the people. content belongs to the providers.
Simple.
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Old 11-10-2014, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Regulate the Internet to keep it free and open,,,Now I've heard it all......I can see where this will lead already.....

A....free an open internet?

Y'know.

It's okay to not be against EVERYTHING Obama does.
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Old 11-10-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Looks like we're mostly on the same page over the issue, then.
The real point of the matter is that the carrier waves are owned by the people, in common. The issue is who will control those commonly owned carrier waves as applied to the internet.
the people or the ISP providers?
Common thinking is "We the people" should control and regulate the internet carrier waves through our existing agencies like the FCC. The ISPs can maintain control over content that flows over those carrier waves.
Carrier waves belong to the people. content belongs to the providers.
Simple.
We're on the same page with the theory, but seem to differ quite a bit on how to best solve the problem of regulation.

A carrier wave is an interesting thing - you can transmit it through the air or over a wire. Traditionally speaking, the "airwaves" were considered to be public property, but that theory gets more sticky when those signals come to your house over a network of wires and infrastructure that was paid for and is maintained by a company who you pay to provide you with that signal. With airwaves, all you need is a suitable receiver. With cable, you need the company who provides your hookup.

From this point of view, I do not agree with you that the public owns internet signals, unless the public owns the physical network on which that signal travels. The government should not attempt to regulate the relationship between you and Cox cable or whoever if they are not providing the network that both of you are using.

On the other hand, they should be providing some level of consumer protection in dealing with ISP's like Cox. How to do that with a light hand is a bit of a stumper.
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Old 11-10-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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lol@coservatves jumping to conclusion without even studying the topic. That's why I hate politics.
Do you trust the government to make anything better?

Especially with this nitwit at the helm? I mean, he has an outstanding track record.

Why do lefties believe that government has YOUR best interest at heart?

“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” says the MIT economist who helped write Obamacare. “And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”
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