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Old 11-10-2014, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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BBC News - Catalonia vote: 80% back independence - officials

Over 80% voted for independence, only 37% turnout though so there's no telling how things would go with more turnout.
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Old 11-10-2014, 02:14 PM
 
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BBC News - Catalonia vote: 80% back independence - officials

Over 80% voted for independence, only 37% turnout though so there's no telling how things would go with more turnout.
pretty much the same with our own election last week...
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Old 11-10-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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pretty much the same with our own election last week...
No. Not the same at all. This was non binding.
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Old 11-10-2014, 06:52 PM
 
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BBC News - Catalonia vote: 80% back independence - officials

Over 80% voted for independence, only 37% turnout though so there's no telling how things would go with more turnout.
You're right it's quite possible that the voting population was highly skewed to people who want independence, but with only 7.4% in that cohort against you'd need the remaining group to break 42.6% / 63% = 67.6% AGAINST independence for it to lose a plebiscite with 100% turnout. With less then 100% turnout, you'd need even more than two thirds of the new voters to vote against to go below a 50% threshold.

It's not a sure thing, but I'd say this is a pretty darned strong indication that the Catalan people want independence, and by a material margin.
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Old 11-10-2014, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The people of Catalonia have always resented Spain and have never considered themselves as part of that country, though at the same time I could never see Spain letting them go or the people of Catalonia having a war over it.

So I a guessing we won't be seeing a new country being created out of part of Spain, but if it ever does happen I wish Catalonia the best because they have earned their independence.
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Old 11-10-2014, 07:14 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Spain will never allow Catalonia to become independent. Remember, these are the same people who claim Gibraltar despite the fact that 99% of Gibraltarians view themselves as British and prefer to stay British.

The Spanish do not recognize the right of self determination.
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Spain has been moribund for as long as I can remember.
Spain Youth Unemployment Rises To Record 57.7%, Surpasses Greece | Zero Hedge

If I were Catalonia I would want to split too. I have only followed this question because of great distance runners such as Kilian Jornet. Pau Gasol, NBA basketball player, is also Catalan.

It provokes the obvious question of whether a secessionist movement might come to these shores. After all we certain things in common with Spain. We have central gov't leaders trying to promote 'green jobs,' and a major problem with unemployment and lack of opportunity for the young gneneration.
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:49 AM
 
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Meh. Seems to indicate that most don't care that much, but those who do care care a lot.
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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As with other places (Scotland, Quebec, etc), I fail to see where it is any of our business.

If Catalonia wants to peacefully break off from Spain, I say good luck to them.
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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The problem with Catalonia leaving is that this would set up the Basque Country to want to leave too, and on a lesser scale: Galicia and Valencia.
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