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Old 11-13-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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In 2012, Latinos comprised a 5 million vote margin for Obama. 2016 will see that margin rise, no doubt. Bear in mind, when W won 44% of Latinos, he still maxed out 46 electoral votes lower than the weakest win of either Obama or Clinton, and Virginia was not a Blue POTUS state yet, as NOVA 2004 was a lower % of total Va POTUS vote..

The country has evolved, and it is hardly done. Latino median age is over a decade younger than white median age. That means they will grow organically faster than other demographic groups, and that alone would make their political gains rise in ever sharper leaps.
You are another who assumes that the majority of latinos support this. You are wrong. The majority of educated latinos know that this is wrong and it will hurt the future of their children. They also know this about giving voting rights to this group of people. That is the only way the democratic party can survive at this point. The voters are not stupid.

 
Old 11-13-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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27%of Latinos voted Mittens 2012, Pommysmommy, 5 million more voted for Obama than Romney.

Last I checked, 27% gets beat as many times as 73% desire.

The GOP needs to get past W's 44% to stand a true chance at POTUS. That isn't going to happen unless a Comprehensive Reform bill end up passed.
 
Old 11-13-2014, 08:40 PM
 
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Bobtn, hard at work putting the best spin on any issue for Obama. Plus another "Blue Wall" blab.

Good stuff.
 
Old 11-13-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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I stand by my opinion that Obama is about to sink the Democrats for good. The GOP is going to stand back and use this executive order to destroy the democrats because they all stood blindly behind this moron of a POTUS.
 
Old 11-13-2014, 08:42 PM
 
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No, Tracer, hard at work studying the underlying objective data lessons of the last several POTUS election cycles.

Every 4 years, the white % of the total vote drops 2-2.5%. That's a game-changer. Latinos are America's fastest growing voting block.
 
Old 11-13-2014, 08:44 PM
 
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No, Tracer, hard at work studying the underlying objective data lessons of the last several POTUS election cycles.

Every 4 years, the white % of the total vote drops 2-2.5%. That's a game-changer. Latinos are America's fastest growing voting block.
Wish I could see the look on your face when you discover that you were mistaken.
 
Old 11-13-2014, 08:46 PM
 
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This all a plan. Start a war with the GOP over the illegal issue and then hope that they oppose everything and then paint the GOP as uncaring racists so that the GOP will flop in 2016.
It's all calculated.
Politics is a lot like Spy vs. Spy

You know the cartoon?

We know the Dems controlled Congress for 2 years of Obama's first term but did not pass an immigration reform although that was key to Obama's election platform.

Why not?

Because Obama recognizes that immigration reform, which the public equates to amnesty for illegals, is a third rail that will haunt the party that implements it. Obama's goal all along is to "Put it on the Republicans."

Here's the ploy.

Obama goads the Republicans, sniping and threatening to grant by executive order, work permits for illegals (not truly amnesty but stops deportations and ties the hands of ICE and everyone else) which he hopes will push the Republican Congress to pass immigration reform to counter his action.

Despite the wet dreams of some pundits, this Republican immigration reform will not include the expulsion of the millions of illegal aliens now in the US.

It will provide a convoluted track to citizenship for the illegals, which while law, will be ignored by the illegals, and the status quo will remain the same with millions here illegally but can't be deported.

But the Democrats can now declare that the Republicans granted amnesty to the illegals. Win/win.

 
Old 11-13-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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No one believes that millions are going to be deported but they will not be granted the right to vote. The GOP is going to play this one well.
 
Old 11-13-2014, 09:07 PM
 
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Who is talking about amnesty? Not Obama. He is saying that people with US citizen children who have been in the US for 10 years will not be deported under normal circumstances. That is popular with not only hispanics, but the majority of Americans.
Call it by whatever euphemism you want but it is still amnesty. Who cares if the illegals have US citizen anchor babies? The parents have no business being here and need to be deported. If they are decent parents, when they are deported they will take their kids with them.

This is NOT popular with "Hispanics but the majority of Americans". I don't know why you would think otherwise.
 
Old 11-13-2014, 09:10 PM
 
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27%of Latinos voted Mittens 2012, Pommysmommy, 5 million more voted for Obama than Romney.

Last I checked, 27% gets beat as many times as 73% desire.

The GOP needs to get past W's 44% to stand a true chance at POTUS. That isn't going to happen unless a Comprehensive Reform bill end up passed.
Some candidates get it. Jeb Bush realizes the importance of getting the Latinos as does Rick Perry. But, Obama's EO may make it difficult for anyone who might appeal to Hispanics to take a position in the primaries that will not alienate them. For a Republican to have a chance, he is going to have to veer right for the primaries and then swing back to center for the general. A couple of them did this successfully in the mid terms, but with the anger from the right over the EO and all the vitriol from Republicans that it will bring out, it will be a real feat.
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