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Old 11-20-2014, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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Please, please try to learn at least elemental school science....The goal of carbon taxes, and CO2 emission restrictions is to slow or prevent further global warming, not fix local weather events.
No, the goal is to provide yet anothet mechanism for George Soros and Goldman Sachs to make a LOT of money. With a few crumbs tossed to Al Gore.

CO2 credits do nothing to reduce CO2. Note also that the little guy is effectively excluded from the CO2 exchanges.

Yeah, tax carbon. Do all the more that you can to hurt the poor and working people of the world. Sleep well at night.

 
Old 11-20-2014, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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Meanwhile in Australia:

Australia's first major heatwave of the warming season has broken temperature records across the nation, more than a month before the official start to summer.
On Saturday, the country set its warmest October day in records going back to 1910, with average maximums across the nation reaching 36.39 degrees, according to the Bureau of Meteorology.


Read more: First 'big heat event' melts Australian temperature records
Silly boy. This is a sign of the oncoming ice age, as counter intuitive as it is! ROTFLMAO
 
Old 11-20-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I see the same deniers are still believing their own "science" from the Flat Earth Society.


http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...le-d82wfmf.jpg
 
Old 11-20-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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Old 11-20-2014, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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It's due to all the pollution we're putting in the air-it's blocking the sun. The only hope is to tax energy suppliers, drive up energy costs and stop oil and gas production.
All this time I have believed that our air is substantially cleaner than is was 50 years ago, one reason that us skeptics have used to explain warming.

If you believe in graphs:

 
Old 11-20-2014, 02:00 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Speleothem View Post
They must be getting more efficient since they are at record numbers.
Just this weak i saw on PBS a show about P bears and they said that so much of the ice pack that melted was the P bears hunting territory and cubs were starving.

Polar Bear Status: In Decline | Polar Bears International

40% decline in polar bears in Alaska, western Canada heightens concern - LA Times

These Polar Bears Had A Tough Decade

Study finds dramatic decline in polar bear population | Toronto Star


There is my reply with links. How about yours?
 
Old 11-20-2014, 02:00 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Originally Posted by eddie gein View Post
Meanwhile in Australia:

Australia's first major heatwave of the warming season has broken temperature records across the nation, more than a month before the official start to summer.
On Saturday, the country set its warmest October day in records going back to 1910, with average maximums across the nation reaching 36.39 degrees, according to the Bureau of Meteorology.


Read more: First 'big heat event' melts Australian temperature records
Wow, this could get really bad this year. They already had huge fires during the past couple of summers.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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What I find interesting about denialism, is that the position on a scientific topic is predicated almost exclusively on one's political beliefs. We are seeing this with AGW, health care, net neutrality, infrastructure spending,etc. Rather than reasoning through the facts, there is a whole industry around manufacturing denial, usually through cherry picking facts, ad hominem attacks, whisper campaigns, and just militant denial (AGW is a hoax!!!). It is a sign of our times, and not a good one. With the best higher educational institutions in the world, it is shocking to me that so many people gorge at the hog trough of partisan media, rather than try to reason through the facts. It is like our country had turned into a football game, and as long as your team wins, damn the consequences.

As for global warming, at least some people seem to be thinking critically about it, and admittedly it is a tough thing to predict with certainty.
The whole thing is a giant fraud and warmers love to use words like denialist in an effort to toss non-believers in a looney bin.

The 97% figure used is a fraud, it's a lie.

97% Study Falsely Classifies Scientists' Papers, according to the scientists that published them

Here's a few scientists for you.

Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections
These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

Judith Curry, Professor and former Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.
Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society
Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and Director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University
Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences
Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution
Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National University
Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science
Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London
Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute
Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry

Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes Graph showing the ability with which a global climate model is able to reconstruct the historical temperature record, and the degree to which those temperature changes can be decomposed into various forcing factors. It shows the effects of five forcing factors: greenhouse gases, man-made sulfate emissions, solar variability, ozone changes, and volcanic emissions.
These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences
Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Timothy Ball, professor emeritus of geography at the University of Winnipeg
Robert M. Carter, former head of the school of earth sciences at James Cook University
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University
William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University
William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University
Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo
Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware
Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.
Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of Mining Geology, the University of Adelaide.
Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego
Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University
Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University
Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo
Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem
Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia
Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[98][99]
Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville
Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center
George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University
Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa

Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown.
These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.

Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks.
Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris).
Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.
John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports.
Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory.
David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma.
Ivar Giaever, professor emeritus of physics at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and a Nobel laureate.
Vincent R. Gray, New Zealander physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes
Keith Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology at Maricopa County Community College District and the vice president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists.

Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences
These scientists have said that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for society or the environment.

Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
Sherwood Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University
Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia
 
Old 11-20-2014, 02:17 PM
 
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Don't forget that global warming has had a larger effect on low temperatures than high temperatures (average low temperatures have risen more than average high temperatures). We haven't seen a hard freeze in the Colorado mountains in decades which has let to the devastation wrought by the pine beetle.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 02:24 PM
 
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Same old thread as 1000's of others..

Left wing kooks citing made up computer projections claiming you're stupid if you dont believe in global cooling, cough, global warming, cough.. weather change, which has taken place for millions of years, and blame it on humans.

And righties who use winter to cite weather change is a joke..
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