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What we are about to see in Obama's final two years is a hissy fit of epic proportions. Long after the love afair has ended, the glamour and celebrity have worn off, his one time closest confidants don't want to be seen with him, and the chances of leaving a lasting legacy are slipping away, he's going to do everything he can to be as obstructionist as possible. He's going to stop at nothing, including breaking the law, to implement his agenda and retain some form of relevancy.....
He's a man on the edge with nothing to lose, and there's nothing more dangerous than someone with nothing to lose.
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Yes the bloom is definitely off the rose. He's pissed off a lot of people, even the ones who put him in office. He is no visionary leader. I hate saying that but it's true.
Mark this date on the calender natalie..... for once, you and I wholeheartedly agree on something!
What we are about to see in Obama's final two years is a hissy fit of epic proportions. Long after the love afair is over, the glamour and celebrity have worn off, his one time closest confidants don't want to be seen with him, and the chances of leaving a lasting legacy have all but vanished, he's going to do everything he can to be as obstructionist as possible. He's going to stop at nothing, including breaking the law, to implement his agenda and "fundamentally tranform America".....
He's a man on the edge with nothing to lose, and thee's nothing more dangerous than someone with nothing to lose.
What we are about to see in Obama's final two years is a hissy fit of epic proportions. Long after the love afair has ended, the glamour and celebrity have worn off, his one time closest confidants don't want to be seen with him, and the chances of leaving a lasting legacy are slipping away, he's going to do everything he can to be as obstructionist as possible. He's going to stop at nothing, including breaking the law, to implement his agenda and retain some form of relevancy.....
He's a man on the edge with nothing to lose, and there's nothing more dangerous than someone with nothing to lose.
True. Maybe he figured out that his legacy isn't going to be as great as he had planned (that he was the greatest president to occupy the WH) and in light of that he figures going out with a legacy based on disaster is worth more than going out with a mediocre legacy?
What we are about to see in Obama's final two years is a hissy fit of epic proportions. Long after the love afair has ended, the glamour and celebrity have worn off, his one time closest confidants don't want to be seen with him, and the chances of leaving a lasting legacy are slipping away, he's going to do everything he can to be as obstructionist as possible. He's going to stop at nothing, including breaking the law, to implement his agenda and retain some form of relevancy.....
He's a man on the edge with nothing to lose, and there's nothing more dangerous than someone with nothing to lose.
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Republicans don't like him, Democrats are deserting, Harry Reid gives him looks of disdain, foreign leaders have no respect, he's lost much of the press.
This is an interesting, yet (I'd argue) a very-overconfident narrative. To see if your (and the WSJ's) opinion is actually founded in fact, let's look at some of the statistics behind some of your assertions about Obama in comparison to other presidents at this point in their tenures. In this specific case, we only really need a comparison to one other president. Guess who it'll be.
George W. Bush.*
Let's do this.
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Republicans don't like him...
Obviously, Republicans don't exactly like Obama as much as Bush, which makes sense, considering partisanship and all. For the sake of fairness, it would make much more sense statistically to compare the approval rating of the members of the opposition party at the time...Dems during Bush, Reps during Obama. We can compare in this area using midterm election results and general approval rating. We'll grab their respective approval ratings from these two sites. Bush Job Approval: 38% Presidential Job Approval Center
For Bush, his approval rating from Dems as of December 2006 was 9%, and he lost 31 House seats and 6 Senate seats in the 2006 election. Obama's approval rating from Reps is currently 9%, and he lost 12 House seats and 9 Senate seats. So that's pretty much a draw.
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...Democrats are deserting...
Again, since it would be unfair to see how Democrats "deserted" Bush (Spoiler alert: they totes did!) in comparison to Dems deserting Obama, we'll test this by comparing how much their own party deserted their leaders in the arena of public opinion over the span of one year.** Bush's approval rating among Republicans decreased about 4 points between Jan. 2006 and Dec. 2006 (http://media.gallup.com/POLL/Releases/pr061212ii.gif), while Obama's increased by 1. Obama is ever so slightly less lonely by this metric.
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...Harry Reid gives him looks of disdain...
C'mon man. I don't know how to quantify looks of disdain. Do we need a panel of judges for that? Could Senator Frist look at Bush with disdain until lasers came out? Ugh. It's a draw.
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...foreign leaders have no respect...
Fiddlehead --- who, by the way, is the ONLY person in this god-damned thread full of weeping and gnashing of teeth to actually provide any statistics backing him up whatsoever --- already basically answered this part using his information from CNN and Gallup. Of course, everybody apparently ignored these stats and continued said weeping and gnashing, so here they are again. Global Image of U.S. Leadership Rebounds How the world sees Obama – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs
There, he shows that there is a 8 point difference between '07 Bush and '14 Obama. And in Europe, where one could argue is the place where a lot of the conventional "world leaders" are, approval ratings for Obama right now are 22 points higher than Bush. Obama's the cool kid in comparison, and wins easily.
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...he's lost much of the press.
Can't really quantify this either, but aren't conservatives complaining all the time about the "LIBERAL LAMESTREAM MEDIA" or something like that? If that's a thing, then Bush lost the press somewhere around 2002. Also, Bush got pimp-slapped by Stephen Colbert at the '07 White House Correspondents Dinner, when everybody in the media almost literally laughed in the president's face. I dunno, it's late, who cares, Obama wins.
So, in conclusion, I disagree with the narrative in this thread. Obama's not the loneliest president. Second loneliest? Sure, maybe, I guess.
Wait, hold on, I forgot about Ford.
...okay, so...3rd loneliest.
...wow, this post is long.
*Yeah, I know what's coming. "IT'S BEEN 6 YEARS BRO STOP COMPARING NOBAMA TO-"...no, the WSJ article says "since Nixon." Bush happened after Nixon. He counts.
**I guess we could also test it by showing the percentage that each president's congressional caucus voted with or against them over the span of a year, but I don't know where that information is and if we're going to be honest, I'm a teensy bit too drunk to find it.
This is an interesting, yet (I'd argue) a very-overconfident narrative. To see if your (and the WSJ's) opinion is actually founded in fact, let's look at some of the statistics behind some of your assertions about Obama in comparison to other presidents at this point in their tenures. In this specific case, we only really need a comparison to one other president. Guess who it'll be.
George W. Bush.*
Let's do this.
Obviously, Republicans don't exactly like Obama as much as Bush, which makes sense, considering partisanship and all. For the sake of fairness, it would make much more sense statistically to compare the approval rating of the members of the opposition party at the time...Dems during Bush, Reps during Obama. We can compare in this area using midterm election results and general approval rating. We'll grab their respective approval ratings from these two sites. Bush Job Approval: 38% Presidential Job Approval Center
For Bush, his approval rating from Dems as of December 2006 was 9%, and he lost 31 House seats and 6 Senate seats in the 2006 election. Obama's approval rating from Reps is currently 9%, and he lost 12 House seats and 9 Senate seats. So that's pretty much a draw.
Again, since it would be unfair to see how Democrats "deserted" Bush (Spoiler alert: they totes did!) in comparison to Dems deserting Obama, we'll test this by comparing how much their own party deserted their leaders in the arena of public opinion over the span of one year.** Bush's approval rating among Republicans decreased about 4 points between Jan. 2006 and Dec. 2006 (http://media.gallup.com/POLL/Releases/pr061212ii.gif), while Obama's increased by 1. Obama is ever so slightly less lonely by this metric.
C'mon man. I don't know how to quantify looks of disdain. Do we need a panel of judges for that? Could Senator Frist look at Bush with disdain until lasers came out? Ugh. It's a draw..
Remember the many seats Obama lost in 2010?
It was historical in nature.
There would have been more if more were up for election at that time also.
Not quite what I would call a draw.
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