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Old 06-03-2008, 07:51 PM
 
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A fact or which I'm fortunate.

Ahhh, have some wine and live longer
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:09 PM
 
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In Europe the drinking age is lower so if a soldier drink off base it is legal according to that country's laws. BUT on base is a different story.

Incorrect, an 18 year old stationed lets say in Greece can buy alcohol on base and drink at the base bar.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:55 PM
 
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Incorrect, an 18 year old stationed lets say in Greece can buy alcohol on base and drink at the base bar.
Oh, okey Bur they are still not any more responsible.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:08 PM
 
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No they are not.

I was security watch commander while overseas, I was at a NATO base and the only people we had problems with were other Americans.

Every other NATO country did just fine, no incidents, nothing, pull an American ship in and we always have to have extra security and always have trouble with people that get drunk and want to get into fights.

It got so bad they actually restricted people right after I left.

I think its due to we put some tabboo on alcohol, so it becomes some forbidden fruit and when gotten a hold of, abused.

Seems countries where alcohol is not demonized, people are much better at handling it as a whole.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:40 PM
 
Location: C.R. K-T
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I think its due to we put some tabboo on alcohol, so it becomes some forbidden fruit and when gotten a hold of, abused.

Seems countries where alcohol is not demonized, people are much better at handling it as a whole.
I wholeheartedly agree; I was going to say the same thing. Let me expound on the taboo premise.

I think groups like M.A.D.D. and desperate politicians have promoted an unhealthy attitude towards alcohol. This attitude could be from the residue of the temperance movement of the 19th century. M.A.D.D. represents members who have experienced the dark side of alcohol and really want it to be gone because of this one abusive experience, drunk driving, while the politicians need someone or something weak and defenseless to scapegoat or demonized in order to garner votes (see racism, nativism/immigration, homophobia, anti-Catholicism, etc.).

I plan to work on ageism after my three little issues are settled: metrication, introducing the dollar coin, and ending Daylight Saving Time. (The fourth concerned the Digital TV transition but viewership among youth is declining anyway, so it's pointless.)
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:53 PM
 
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metric - yes
dollar coin - yes
daylight savings - yes, keep it on what ever summer is
digital - this was because they needed to open up air waves for other things if i recall correctly.

I think its funny at church everyone drinks wine during certain days of the year and gets a sip of it every sunday. EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-04-2008, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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2. Unlike civilians, a military enlistee is under the command of an Officer. If that enlistee misuses his privledge and gets into trouble with the local law, he has to answer to his commanding officer too and the punishment that the military can inflict is harsher than the punishment civilian authorities inflict for alcohol offenses. Therfore the soldier would likely be more responsible in his consumptio


A soldier in the military is NOT any more responsible then other 18 year olds when it comes to the boos. I can guarantee you that. I think 18 is a good age.

I can tell you from personal experience that soldiers are. We were told in the USAF that, while we could drink, if there were ANY infractions- on base or off base- that we would face punishment. And I know of 2 cases where base restrictions and fines were placed on airmen who got into trouble off base drinking. They were, in effect, "grounded" to the base for periods of 30 to 60 days.
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Old 08-04-2008, 09:10 PM
 
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Bad idea, because many soldiers join the armed forces at 17 or 18, directly out of high school. College isn't for everybody and military service is an honorable alternative.
I'm 17 and in the military
I'm not much of a drinker but its true that after a really hard workout all day I would like to be able to LEGALLY enjoy a cold beer or even a simple mixed drink.
I took on the responsibility to fight for our country and if I'm mature enough to do that I'm sure I'm mature enough to handle responsible drinking.


but thats just my opinion....
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Old 08-05-2008, 04:56 AM
 
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There are a lot of 21 year olds who aren't mature enough to drink.
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Old 08-05-2008, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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There are a lot of 21 year olds who aren't mature enough to drink.
Just as I am sure that there are a lot of 40 or 60 year olds who aren't mature enough to drink....
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