Maine: Must Work For Food Stamps (minimum wage, claim, income, vote)

[gen811]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

There aren't enough jobs for everyone. Period. No amount of education or effort on the part of job seekers will increase employment, because there aren't enough jobs for everyone! If one person gets a job, another didn't get that same job. If you snap your fingers and give everyone PhD's in every topic, the only thing that will change is that we'll have millions of unemployed PhD's. You'll never understand anything about how the economy works if you can't accept that current unemployment is not the fault of the unemployed. It's like playing musical chairs, and insisting that nobody would've been eliminated if they just ran harder.

...
no job? fine.

FARM...

DO IT EVEN IF IT IS AGAINST CITY STATE OR FEDERAL law.
even if it is against tenant agreements.
screw them.

Water then food then everything else.
take care of your needs first.

I know that collecting rain water is against state laws but yeah do what you need to do and sue the pants off the states putting these STUPID laws in place to steal money.

then work on your farming skills so you can actually eat.
feed chicken collect eggs etc.
cut coupons.

I assume you are renting if that is the case or you are in foreclosure.
but basically yeah.

it was the state that made hunting, food gathering, chopping wood etc hard for the common man in general after all.

if beggars cannot find food.
have them eat street pigeon in the parks. roasted pigeons are a delicacy in some countries.
perhaps some rats for them too...

We need someone to control the population of these animals may as well...
let them have a pigeon and rat hunt.

unfortunately the state refuses to let beggars pitch tents or designate any area for them to put up tents as those would be undesirable for the city.

thus they force them into shelters where there are no room...

*shakes head*

unemployed people need to get smart and start doing what real poor people do that are not on gov subsidies.

because they make just above food stamps and just above medicare section 8 etc.
those people suffer the most.

the working poor.
and the poor poor go on welfare and live better than the working poor.

typically you need 30k-40k per year...to break it.
at least.

if you make 15k per year then no make less and go on food stamps + section 8 + medicare + other subsidies. you'd make around 25-30k instead after all subsidies

you would be better off.
some make 20k and they are screwed if they work. as taxes and everything takes it all.
15k left over to spend per year.
rent being 1k 12k per year and 3000 per year for everything else. 250 per month

these people have to cut coupons all day and night long
while buying when things are only on sale and cutting out all luxury.

while
food stamp people with their section 8 + medicare...
well they can live like kings compared to the working poor.

they hardly cut coupons-
and they buy luxury items eg Iphones
mainly because they have it easy as it is not their money.

geez.

this is really not fair at all.
the working poor deserves more than the poor welfare queens.

[petch751]

Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated

Gotta love the Christian values of conservatives.

If you're poor, try harder. Can't afford to eat? Tough. Go hungry.

Not having the ability to take care of yourself is nothing to be proud of Opin. It means that you have nothing of value to offer others or society. Gotta love how the left tries to justify taking from others.

[petch751]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

So you're in favor of the government spending on roads and bridges to create jobs? Welcome to the Socialist party.

I don't think people running businesses are bad at it. The whole point of macroeconomics is that it takes more than businesses to manage the economy.

Of course we have to maintain the roads and bridges so instead lets put dead beats to work. I guess they are too damn dumb and don't have anything to offer society. Pathetic really. Only if people would put as much effort into work as they do to defend getting welfare.

[bluesjuke]

Originally Posted by mohawkx

Are there enough jobs in Maine to support this?

Originally Posted by freemkt

That's why they put in the volunteer option.

There you go. In the OP as well (in Bold).

[thecoalman]

Very, very bad idea. You're effectively creating a whole new class of government workers. Next up, unionized welfare recipients.

[LauraC]

Here's the quandry I see for Democrats: If you say the food stamp rolls are dropping due to an improving economy, then you must say more people are able to work and get off them. But if more people get off them, they don't need Democrats anymore.

On the other hand, why DID the GOP governor of Maine wait until after his re-election to do it?

Did anybody read the links? There is a distinction made between people with children and people with no children and that brings up the other issue of the government incentivizing people to have children they can't afford.

"The Congressional Research Service calculates that almost 4 million welfare recipients fall into the category of the able-bodied with no dependents, about 10 percent of the welfare rolls. At a cost of $76 billion a year, even shaving a small slice of wasted compassion can lead to big savings."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...as-maine-goes/

[old_cold]

Originally Posted by Ohky0815

Would you like to search and look at my budget thread? Go ahead, enlighten me how im screwing up so badly money wise that i cant feed my family. Go ahead, PLEASE tell me.

And we dont deserve them some how? Oh wait is this another thread about being jealous I can get a steak and you cant because you have to use cash, check or credit? Not everyone on foodstamps eats this way. I had Kroger brand fishsticks, Canned Green beans and oranges tonight for dinner- guess im eating 3 courses on those stamps huh?

Agree.

I'd start by pointing out that you're spending your food allowance for 'junk' food as your supposed protein source, for one thing.

3 ounces fish or meat supplies 24 grams protein
8 grams in 6 sticks of Gordon's.
$1 for that serving of real fish for $4 a lb fish(can cut that in half when store has a BOGO)
$6 52 pack of Gordon's so to equal the same amount of protein you'd need to eat about half the package...$3.00

This isn't even addressing the 'bad' things about processed foods, like how much salt is in those 24 fish sticks.
Those are based on Gordon's and your store brand might be a little cheaper but not enough to skew the comparison that much.

Almost always when one is buying and eating processed foods, they are lessening how much food and good nutrition they could be having.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated

Gotta love the Christian values of conservatives.

If you're poor, try harder. Can't afford to eat? Tough. Go hungry.

I actually donate to the less fortunate....time and goods.

I don't need a bureaucrat to force me to do it.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated

Yea, go visit a charity. That relieves you of any responsibility of helping your fellow countrymen.

My comment stands. The self-righteous right-wing Christians are hypocrites. They want the poor to just go away and die.

We have the truth on our side. TRILLIONS of tax dollars spent "helping" people has created millions more in poverty.

[~HecateWhisperCat~]

Originally Posted by GnomadAK

It's not slavery, nobody is forcing you to take food stamps or other benefits, if you don't want to work you don't have to accept the benefits.

Plenty of us worked crappy low paying jobs, for low pay, and didn't take food stamps or such. I recall the day I was standing in a checkout line with my mac and cheese and hamburger while the guy in front of me paid for a steak with food stamps. Good for him I guess, glad I could help out with my tax money, thank God Reagan came in and lowered my taxes!

LoL, Bull**** you did not. What is this like the most common Republican lie of all time? The person telling the story is always barely feeding themselves and the person in front of them on food stampes is always buying some luxury meat and or lobster.