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Old 11-17-2014, 07:45 AM
 
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It does not matter that Republicans come with all the dribble as if they are never responsible for anything, Heck, they still deny they screwed the country and left it broken, embroiled it in the ignorance of a wrong agenda war, resulting in the full and wild destabilization of the Middle East. That single thing alone is an atrocity which opened the gates to let wild rage engulf much of the Middle East. Yes, that was done by the acts and decisions of a Republican Administration. Which did threaten our Global partners if they did not join in the madness. It disrupted International Relations which is a costly matter in every term of partnership. In the broader picture those things cost this nation the total which continues to rise at a clip today of 18 Trillion and counting. It also cost global financial problems which are still a challenge to many nations who lost a great deal of value, all because of these calamities.

Surely you'd deny that too.. But add it up yourself.
30+ Billion a Month in Iraq
10+ Billion a Month in Afghanistan
30+Billion a month in Trade Imbalances (just with China)
unknown billions a month in Medical Treatment and Other expenses needed for care to soldiers
unknown billions trade imbalance with Canada and Mexico ( #1 and #2 Trading Partners)
unknown billions trade imbalance with whom ever else we trade with.
unknown billions in delayed and ignored infrastructure repair needs
unknown billions wasted in government games of shut down and budget blocking games.
the list can go on and on.

then Multiply that times 8 yrs, and then add in another 6 times 6 yrs of gridlock games.

The the reality comes clear how we have a total of 18 Trillion and counting, just to cover the expense incurred over the 8 yrs of Bush and the last 6 yrs of gridlock games. Yet, Republican want to talk about being Fiscal Conservative; all Fiscal Conservative means to the Republican Agenda is exactly what Bush Did, and that is give tax breaks to the wealth, and try and seal it in place, claiming some trickle down benefit to the people. The only things resulted was instead of the wealthy making 100's of millions, they now makes $10s of Billions and the Income Gap is an atrocity.

I don't care that Republican are in continual denial, they've held the posture of "FIGHT SOMETHING" for so many years,the public is aware.
It was purely big money that paid for big advertisement, which played to the ignorance and pushed the absurd upon the minds of the uninformed and those who follow blindly with no concern for facts, they only like to be "mob rallied together" with a "fight something mentality". The big money that paid for the campaign saturation s knew its audience, they were primed with the continual Hannity and Limbaugh's "hate something and detest a minority in the whites house", and push and rile the people based on their fears and anguish because they no longer have 'white man" first entitlement and white man first accessibility, and white man, dominate something position which they had in the 1950's.
Well those days will not return, nor will society as a whole ever allow or support such ignorance to ever dominate the landscape. The days, of " Slaughter the Indians and Take what you want", or "bulldoze over the minorities" and build a posse of the poor whites and mislead them to attack something, driven with fear and delusions of being white will give him some special access, or anguish because he no longer has the ability nor does the law allow him to take out aggression's without repercussions. is a time gone.

No longer are the liberal minded people accepting being bullied by some overzealous angry old white people who still push for days long gone. The days of people standing up and speaking up as individuals is the reality of today. Republican hate it, but that hate won't control a nation of people who aspire to live a better more equal and fair life.

History has recorded it all.

 
Old 11-17-2014, 07:49 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It does not matter that Republicans come with all the dribble as if they are never responsible for anything, Heck, they still deny they screwed the country and left it broken, embroiled it in the ignorance of a wrong agenda war
Here's your warmonger. He's the one who said Iraq has WMDs, and he signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law in 1998. Bush just carried it out:


President Clinton orders attack on Iraq - YouTube


And I've already explained to you how liberals caused the financial crisis. I even posted the smoking gun HUD document.

I'm wondering why you have so little knowledge of history. Are you young?
 
Old 11-17-2014, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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It does not matter that Republicans come with all the dribble as if they are never responsible for anything, Heck, they still deny they screwed the country and left it broken, embroiled it in the ignorance of a wrong agenda war, resulting in the full and wild destabilization of the Middle East. That single thing alone is an atrocity which opened the gates to let wild rage engulf much of the Middle East. Yes, that was done by the acts and decisions of a Republican Administration. Which did threaten our Global partners if they did not join in the madness. It disrupted International Relations which is a costly matter in every term of partnership. In the broader picture those things cost this nation the total which continues to rise at a clip today of 18 Trillion and counting. It also cost global financial problems which are still a challenge to many nations who lost a great deal of value, all because of these calamities.

Surely you'd deny that too.. But add it up yourself.
30+ Billion a Month in Iraq
10+ Billion a Month in Afghanistan
30+Billion a month in Trade Imbalances (just with China)
unknown billions a month in Medical Treatment and Other expenses needed for care to soldiers
unknown billions trade imbalance with Canada and Mexico ( #1 and #2 Trading Partners)
unknown billions trade imbalance with whom ever else we trade with.
unknown billions in delayed and ignored infrastructure repair needs
unknown billions wasted in government games of shut down and budget blocking games.
the list can go on and on.

then Multiply that times 8 yrs, and then add in another 6 times 6 yrs of gridlock games.

The the reality comes clear how we have a total of 18 Trillion and counting, just to cover the expense incurred over the 8 yrs of Bush and the last 6 yrs of gridlock games. Yet, Republican want to talk about being Fiscal Conservative; all Fiscal Conservative means to the Republican Agenda is exactly what Bush Did, and that is give tax breaks to the wealth, and try and seal it in place, claiming some trickle down benefit to the people. The only things resulted was instead of the wealthy making 100's of millions, they now makes $10s of Billions and the Income Gap is an atrocity.

I don't care that Republican are in continual denial, they've held the posture of "FIGHT SOMETHING" for so many years,the public is aware.
It was purely big money that paid for big advertisement, which played to the ignorance and pushed the absurd upon the minds of the uninformed and those who follow blindly with no concern for facts, they only like to be "mob rallied together" with a "fight something mentality". The big money that paid for the campaign saturation s knew its audience, they were primed with the continual Hannity and Limbaugh's "hate something and detest a minority in the whites house", and push and rile the people based on their fears and anguish because they no longer have 'white man" first entitlement and white man first accessibility, and white man, dominate something position which they had in the 1950's.
Well those days will not return, nor will society as a whole ever allow or support such ignorance to ever dominate the landscape. The days, of " Slaughter the Indians and Take what you want", or "bulldoze over the minorities" and build a posse of the poor whites and mislead them to attack something, driven with fear and delusions of being white will give him some special access, or anguish because he no longer has the ability nor does the law allow him to take out aggression's without repercussions. is a time gone.

No longer are the liberal minded people accepting being bullied by some overzealous angry old white people who still push for days long gone. The days of people standing up and speaking up as individuals is the reality of today. Republican hate it, but that hate won't control a nation of people who aspire to live a better more equal and fair life.

History has recorded it all.
Brevity is the soul of wit [1]. You should try that out.

[1] William Shakespeare
 
Old 11-17-2014, 08:00 AM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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Highly partisan leftists and Obamabots like the OP have basically been brainwashed to have an irrational hatred for and fear of "big bad Republicans", for which all problems of the universe can be blamed on. And nothing -- not even facts in front of their faces -- will change that until they make the personal decision to come back down to reality.

Why bother...
 
Old 11-17-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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Don't know how to break this to you, but recall is only applicable in 19 states:
  • Alaska
  • Arizona
  • California
  • Colorado
  • Georgia
  • Idaho
  • Illinois
  • Kansas
  • New Jersey
  • Louisiana
  • Nevada
  • North Dakota
  • Oregon
  • Michigan
  • Minnesota
  • Montana
  • Rhode Island
  • Washington
  • Wisconsin
Good news though! Since Nevada is on there, the primary driving force in the senate behind the last shutdown, Harry Reid, is eligible. Sad for you, Mitch McConnell is safe.
Yes, I understand 19 is the numbers, I don't have a problem with Harry Reid and Mitch McConnel being removed and certainly Bohner and McCain needs to be removed, along with a number of others, or any other person who causes a problem to the mass of American people. But I certain know there are many Republican who stand front and center need to be removed. There are Democrats that straddle the fence which does not help the unity factor and I would not exempt some of the Democrats from recall.

I am talking about people of American, pushing for Politicians who do their job, not those who go there and barter with colluding games that stack and pack bills and measures with craziness, which has nothing to do with the original bill. Nor those who covertly push in their earmarks and play games of vote for my bill and I'll vote for yours. NO.... vote the voice of the people, or get out of office- PERIOD.
These people are not elected to be some Guru. they are suppose to be representatives of the people.

I will be glad when the day comes that technology moves forward, where every bill is available on peoples personal phones, and they can select the way they want the Politician to vote, and he must vote as the majority chooses. We can't afford to leave it up to the politicians to go and vote their ego, or vote their party games, or assume themselves masters of the Domestic Universe.

It may take us 25 yrs ( a whole generations) to get to use the technology to clean up the political madness. But I have faith the young people of today, will find a way and when they do. These officials can only vote as the peoples voice demands, and he can only stand in representation to support the choice made by the people. By that time, maybe it will be a mandate responsibility as a citizen, that one has to participate in the political process.
Lobbyist must submit their proposal to a committee and that committee makes a decision which the politician has to support. No more of politicians being bought out by lobbyist, and result to lobbyist buying away the voice of the people. It's a complicated undertaking, but the young people are smart and they have the ability and are being taught to be 'critical thinkers", they will find a way.

Most of the Baby Boom era, which is a big portion of voice in sites as such and on various web blogs by providers like Yahoo and etc... did not come from an Era that had concerns for critical thinking, nor were they taught to think in progressive terms to push for modernization in the ways young people are taught today. We still have many who fight regulatory reforms, and we have people who fight environmental protections, all because they use to do something a particular way in the 1960's and 1970's. Those days are gone, the waste, abuse, misuse and lack of awareness of the damages done is an era that was replaced by the Information age. Therefore, No amount of resistance will stop progress.
 
Old 11-17-2014, 08:09 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No longer are the liberal minded people accepting being bullied by some overzealous angry old white people who still push for days long gone. The days of people standing up and speaking up as individuals is the reality of today. Republican hate it, but that hate won't control a nation of people who aspire to live a better more equal and fair life.
The irony of that is priceless.

We've had a Democrat president for 6 years, and all he's done is WIDEN the income gap, not make anything more "equal" or "fair."

Income Inequality Worse Under Obama Than George W. Bush - Huffington Post
 
Old 11-17-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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No longer are the liberal minded people accepting being bullied by some overzealous angry old white people who still push for days long gone. The days of people standing up and speaking up as individuals is the reality of today. Republican hate it, but that hate won't control a nation of people who aspire to live a better more equal and fair life.

History has recorded it all.

I think you really need to calm down. I have a lot of liberal friends who are capable of fair and balanced political debate.

According to the fattie Michael Moore,

"Wanting to own a gun to prevent break-ins: "I am loathe to bring up what is in our head because we don’t like to talk about it so much. But on this particular day, on Martin Luther King Day, I think this needs to be said. That imaginary person that’s going to break into your home and kill you, who does that person look like? You know, it’s not freckle-faced Jimmy down the street, is it really? I mean, that’s not what really, that’s not what really people, we never really want to talk about the racial or the class part of this, in terms of how it’s the poor or it’s people of color that we imagine that we’re afraid of. Why are we afraid? What is that, and it’s been a fear that has existed for a very, very long time." -- Michael Moore

On Michael Moore claiming racism and white fear is why people have guns:
Racism is making a come back. Some liberals have worked hard to bring it back and it is working.

It is funny that you mention "being bullies", I would say that SOME liberals are the biggest bullies. They call black conservatives uncle Tom, don't they?

Some liberals put on a show about how tolerant they are, of all views. But in reality, they use minorities the get what they want (more control) under the guise of "tolerance".

Let's face it, a lot of liberals think they're superior to Republicans and anyone else who does not agree with them.

The word "tolerant" is how a person behaves towards things they don't like and don't approve of. One's freedom is nothing but another person's tolerance.

I've seen people protest in front of VA hospital, those are Liberals. They are bunch of heartless bullies, no more no less.
 
Old 11-17-2014, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Riding the light...
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Spoiler
If the Republican make any move to shut down the government, it is time for the people to realize their power, to RECALL as many of them as can be done. Removing them from office will let any remaining know that we are tired of their ego and personal games of grandstanding at the expense of the American people

It's time for the People to awaken and get some of these old egomaniac's out of congress and get people in who understand what their job is. We've been dealing with 14 yrs of Republican Ego Mania, and it has cost us a crashed economy, crashed and corrupt banks, Wall Street hoodlum activity, government shut down, and increase in interest rates on debt, and paying still for wrongful wars, and with 10's of thousands of veterans wounded and in need of care, along with every kind of craziness imaginable. Not one act to bring back jobs, not one act to impose sanctions on moving companies offshore, and not one minute spent to get the money back from the offshore accounts, not one banker or high level criminal in jail. It's time for a change.
they have blocked and gridlocked everything imaginable they could and still all they do is grandstand as if they are more important than the people they are suppose to represent.

They've spread lies, mis-information and let big money contributors push an agenda, of taking the voice from the people, all the while the aim is hoodwinking the people over and over with high saturation of deceptive advertisements which played on the ignorance and biases of the people.
They have set out to insult the Office of the President of the United States, both domestically and internationally and now its time to put a stop to it.

Every Student on College Campuses should group together and initiate RECALL petitions on their campus.
Communities across this nation need to set up their petitions and get signatures to initiate a RECALL.

If we don't awaken and act we invite the madness of subsequence from the actions of these Egomaniac that fill up our congressional seats. they have long ago lost sight of why they were elected. They have engaged in a self enriching scheme where they become instant millionaires selling the voice of the people to anyone who pays.
They have become collusive passing bills and measures to companies that pay them, when the bill or measures will impose challenges and hardships upon and against the people.


Wake up time is here, RECALL is the order of the day.
Well, in case you missed your wake up call...

All the responses to your OP ARE your RECALL reply
 
Old 11-17-2014, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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30+Billion a month in Trade Imbalances (just with China)
unknown billions a month in Medical Treatment and Other expenses needed for care to soldiers
unknown billions trade imbalance with Canada and Mexico ( #1 and #2 Trading Partners)
unknown billions trade imbalance with whom ever else we trade with.
unknown billions in delayed and ignored infrastructure repair needs
unknown billions wasted in government games of shut down and budget blocking games.
the list can go on and on.



History has recorded it all.
yes history has recorded it

meanwhile the 'great recession' was due to liberal policies of offshoring jobs and easymoney housing


let this INFORM you, these problems stem from: 1993, 1995, and 1999 and you can thank the liberals for it, and most of it goes back to the clinton era. why because ECONOMICS run in 10(+/-4) year CYCLES and what we are facing NOW is in DIRECT RELATION to what happened back in the 90's

1993 NAFTA-originally pushed by Brzezenski and his puppet carter,,moved along by reagan's VP bush1----negotiated by another brzezenski puppet bush1--- passed in 1993 by the democrat controlled congress, pushed by clinton, signed by clinton-inceased with CAFTA by bush2--the consequence ...... 60+ million HIGH PAYING jobs have been lost, 2 trillion worth of debt from the lost wages.(and obama ahs increased it too, not only as Senateor Obama with OFTA, but also as potus obama..............hmmm)

1995 clinton (through his chief of HUD (Henry Cisneros and later his second chief andrew coumo)) eased the rules on obtaining mortgages allowing more 'exotic' mortgages and 'no-doc/low doc' mortgages-----the consequence ......housing SKYROCKETED causing low inventories causing a 'not normal' increase in home prices, sellers got greedy, buyers got even greedier (looking to PROFIT in a skyrocketing market by flipping) and bought THINKING that prices would still increase and their ADJUSTABLE mortgage would pay it self off in MINIMUMAL years...EVEN THOUGH THESE INCREASES IN HOME VALUES WERE TOTALLY UNHEARD OF, AND MORTGAGE RATES WERE AT 40 YEAR LOWS( what did they think an adjustable mortgage gotten at 40 year lows would do in the term(3 months-3years) when it adjusted...of course it would go up, their CONTRACT even said after the term it would be 6% PLUS PRIME)))
For many potential homebuyers, the lack of cash available to accumulate the required downpayment and closing costs is the major impediment to purchasing a home. Other households do not have sufficient available income to to make the monthly payments on mortgages financed at market interest rates for standard loan terms. Financing strategies, fueled by the creativity and resources of the private and public sectors, should address both of these financial barriers to homeownership."
The above is the start of the mortgage meltdown: Clinton's National Homeownership Strategy


those are the two biggest causes of the great recession


then add these:



1996 clinton signed The Telecommunications Act of 1996 (The Act was claimed to foster competition. Instead, it allowed industry consolidation whose actions reduced the number of major media companies from around 30 in 1993 to 10 in 1996, and reducing the 10 in 1996 to 6 in 2005.) causing MONOPOLIES, which can RAISE PRICES

1998 clinton does not allow drilling for OUR OWN OIL..the liberals say 'it will take ten years before we seee the oil'...guess what its been ten years

1999 Clinton DEREGULATES the banking industry

2000 clinton signs the China trade bill

2000 clinton signs the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000..(which paves the way for ENRON)

2000/1 clinton pushes to get china into the world bank

2002 bush and medicare part d....more big government

2003/4/5 republicans try to reighn in fanny and freddie...the liberal opposition leaders (barney frank and cris Dodd) say "there is nothing wrong with fanny/freddy..its a witch hunt"........boy does barney have egg on his face now

1965 liberals push medicare....say it will only cost 10 billion by 1995....in 1995 it cost 100 billion...in 2010 it cost 500 billion, 2012 it cost 600 billion ,2013 it was nearly 680 billion AND CLIMBING

07/09 liberals raise the min wage...adding to the perfect storm



it aint the gop.....its the liberals that have cost us
 
Old 11-17-2014, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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It does not matter that Republicans come with all the dribble as if they are never responsible for anything, Heck, they still deny they screwed the country and left it broken, embroiled it in the ignorance of a wrong agenda war, resulting in the full and wild destabilization of the Middle East.
OBAMA: 'I'm Never Going To Say Never' To More Troops In Iraq

Read more: OBAMA: 'Never Going To Say Never' To More Troops In Iraq - Business Insider
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