I'm a Liberal Democrat. I'm Voting for Rand Paul in 2016. Here Is Why. (enemies, accuse)
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I respect many of the things Rand Paul stands for. If Rand did not want to create deficits and debt growth with supply side tax cuts (then he would have my vote too.)
He's a sharp guy and would receive a lot of support from all parties.
Especially after 8 years of Obama.
While he may be supremely better than his father, he would never get the GOP nomination and running as a libertarian would be the same as all the others who have run as a libertarian .... a losing proposition.
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Sorry, I think you are letting your biased Dem views show; he wasn't what I would support and he was a little weird to say the least, with ideas not all of us can swallow but a cult leader, for heavens sake, that is something I never heard him called. As for Rand, he is his dad's son but not nearly as radical. I will support him and many will, on both sides. Will he be my top choice, it is way to early to tell, but I can't see a single Democrat that is any better.
I hold many liberal positions and I have no problem if he states a support for Israel........as long as that support isn't dependent on millions of dollars.
Agree with the bolded, when did the notion of having allies equate to funding them?
When did the notion of funding any other country become policy or law?
It the OP is so gung ho for Rand Paul, why not Ron Paul in the past?
I voted for Ron Paul in the last two elections. I voted for Ross Perot. I am not committed to the two parties beholden to the most crooked citizens in this nation.
The Pauls or others "independent" are forced to run on an R ticket else they don't appear on a ballot. There are no primaries for independents; why? For the same reason they are "muted" by the media when campaigning? Because they point out the men behind the curtains and the fact the emporer wears no clothes? Because they make most uncomfortable for doing so?
They unsettle what most have come to accept as government; they tell truth and expose government for what it is. They point to the Constitution rather than to what makes us feel good. Government isn't in place to make us feel anything - that is up to us. The sentiment government is to do so is where most politicians fail. The Constitution defines the limited powers of government and we, the people have more power than the federal power. We are sovereign onto ourselves as are the individual states. That changed during the middle of the 19th century.
Why do independents tend to align moreso along conservative values than liberal (progressive)?
They look to the Constitution, the law of the land. A better term for it would be "the rule book".
I could deconstruct all ten bullets in that article to show how the federal government is wholly treasonous at present. Anyone should be able to pick it all apart. Everyone should do so.
To be frank, this nation sorely needs a libertarian government. We should all aspire for government not beholden to business concerns nor those of bankers, the Federal Reserve to be specific. This nation is held hostage by foreign bankers, they own our economy. Again, the Federal Reserve.
We should all want to see every right, liberty and freedom remain inalienable as set forth by the Constitution. We should hold those we elect to the oaths they swear upon taking office. Instead, we cheer for one and boo the other as it suits us.
It's truly a wonder this country hasn't fallen apart yet; especially given policies of the past century.
It is on democrats and republicans alike but, it all falls onto we, the people. The federal government is not the USA. The USA is we, the people who democratically elect 535 members of congress to represent us. The POTUS is selected by the electoral college and that process is anything but what it should be. Add it all together and you have the federal government. I liken it to the largest organized crime syndicate the planet has ever seen.
Government controls our monetary system, food supply, energy, education and now healthcare.
I suggest everyone look into the Constitution and find where those powers were given to government.
I will point to the 10th amendment and ask what it means to any....
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Have we strayed?
Why not a libertarian?
You automatically discount anyone who's a Republican or a Democrat, so you're doing the very thing you accuse others of doing.
When the libertarian party or any other 3rd party has an electable candidate that shares some of my values, I'll consider supporting them. That has NEVER happened and I doubt it ever will.
Rand Paul has always distanced himself from being a radical libertarian unlike his father, he has always tried to work with conservative and moderate Republicans. He is more socially tolerant and moderate then any other mainstream republican, which I think is in his advantage. Paul has his ideology, but is smart enough to realize he needs to reach out to other groups to win elections. That is why people like Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Mike Huckabee can't succeed on the national level, they are simply too idealistic and won't waiver to expand their voting bloc. That's also the reason Christie, Paul, Romney are serious contenders, they are working hard to build a diverse group around them. You can't win elections with just conservatives, just moderates, or just liberals. Paul does have a libertarian streak, but he is not libertarian, he's a mix of moderate, conservative, and libertarian, which IMO is a great foundation for a strong Presidential campaign. The Kochs are very libertarian, and I could see them backing Paul. Remember Ed Koch ran as a Libertarian presidential candidate in the 80's. I'm an independent and I'd rejoin the GOP to vote for Paul. I also voted for Ron Paul, but I never expected him to win and he was too radical for me, but I felt at the time we needed to show a strong signal to the GOP that they were going the wrong direction.
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This thread derailed before it got going.
It the OP is so gung ho for Rand Paul, why not Ron Paul in the past?
I voted for Ron Paul in the last two elections. I voted for Ross Perot. I am not committed to the two parties beholden to the most crooked citizens in this nation.
The Pauls or others "independent" are forced to run on an R ticket else they don't appear on a ballot. There are no primaries for independents; why? For the same reason they are "muted" by the media when campaigning? Because they point out the men behind the curtains and the fact the emporer wears no clothes? Because they make most uncomfortable for doing so?
There are no primaries for independents because they are independent of a PARTY!!!!!
they arent going up against anyone for their parties support because they have none.
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Why do independents tend to align moreso along conservative values than liberal (progressive)?
They look to the Constitution, the law of the land. A better term for it would be "the rule book".
I could deconstruct all ten bullets in that article to show how the federal government is wholly treasonous at present. Anyone should be able to pick it all apart. Everyone should do so.
They align with Conservative ideology because that is what they are and because they could not get enough attention while simply running as a Republican because those lose early in the primary, not because they value the Constitution more than Democrats/liberals/progressives
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We should all want to see every right, liberty and freedom remain inalienable as set forth by the Constitution. We should hold those we elect to the oaths they swear upon taking office. Instead, we cheer for one and boo the other as it suits us.
But you just did that exact same thing in your own post
It's truly a wonder this country hasn't fallen apart yet; especially given policies of the past century.
It is on democrats and republicans alike but, it all falls onto we, the people. The federal government is not the USA. The USA is we, the people who democratically elect 535 members of congress to represent us. The POTUS is selected by the electoral college and that process is anything but what it should be. Add it all together and you have the federal government. I liken it to the largest organized crime syndicate the planet has ever seen.
Government controls our monetary system, food supply, energy, education and now healthcare.
I suggest everyone look into the Constitution and find where those powers were given to government.
I will point to the 10th amendment and ask what it means to any....
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Have we strayed?
Why not a libertarian? [/quote]
define libertarian. And give an explain of its( the ideology's) stances on key issues.
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I'm probably the biggest GOP-hater on C-D, but I would take him over Hillary Clinton in a flash.
As for Israel, his stated campaigning position is not worse than any other major party candidate who doesn't want to be perpetually libeled by AIPAC; it has little to do with how he'd actually govern.
Nothing...as long as he means HE stands with Israel and doesn't extrapolate that to mean we all do (because I don't) or that the United States is obligated to doing so.
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