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Old 11-19-2014, 04:26 PM
 
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Republicans want the border secure before anything.
And thats completely unrealistic. The real solution is e-verify, and draconian enforcement of it. Maybe the Republicans can pass a bill next year! Right?
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Old 11-19-2014, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Republicans want the border secure before anything.
Because they smell huge pork in border security. That was one of the bribes to get Senate Republicans to sign on to the Immigration reform bill.
What they should want, if they really cared is to make E-Verify the law of the land first. You can set as many traps as you want, or walls that stretch the border, but if you don't get rid of what draws the illegals we will be right back where we are at eventually.
Start by making life impossible for the illegals, need will force them to self deport. Not all of them but many if not most.
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Old 11-19-2014, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Pa
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And thats completely unrealistic. The real solution is e-verify, and draconian enforcement of it. Maybe the Republicans can pass a bill next year! Right?
I agree to a point. You make an example of some big name businesses and others will change their practices to avoid the same fate.
Massive fines along with prison time for any, involved with the decision to hire illegals. People will change their carefree attitude about hiring illegals. Consistent enforcement is what is needed.
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Old 11-19-2014, 04:44 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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For the first time in my life I favor the rights of states to peacefully leave the union. The federal government has made it clear that it has no interest in what the huge majority of the states and the citizens want. But what can we do? Nothing, and they know it.
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Old 11-19-2014, 05:23 PM
 
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What we need good old protest to stop this
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Old 11-19-2014, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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FRUSTRATED?
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Put the fear of God into elected officials. Send a simple questionnaire to them.
1. If a government is delegated power to govern those who consent, where does it get power over those who did not consent?

2. If one can only give assent via the ballot, how can one withdraw consent?

3. If citizens are subjects, by definition, obligated to perform compulsory civic duties in service to government, then who are the sovereign people served by government?

4. If free inhabitants, with domiciles, are secure in their natural and personal liberties, what constitutes a minimum domicile?

5. If government requires license (permission) to do that which previously was done without permission, does that mean a right was converted into a privilege, and how did that happen?

6. If government instituted to secure rights cannot infringe upon protected rights, via taxation, what revenue taxable privilege is involved to merit an excise on retail trade, on working, on owning an automobile, a house, land, or other property?

7. Since private property is defined as being absolutely owned by an individual, then does that mean the collective State cannot infringe upon the owner, via regulation, zoning or other impositions?

8. If government has power via compact, can it exercise a power it denies to those it serves, and from whom did it get that power, if not the compact makers?

9. Can government make the impossible legal, as in the impossible to repay public debt?

10. If involuntary servitude is unconstitutional except after conviction, how can anyone be "born a citizen" obligated to perform mandatory civic duties, without being a slave?

11. What is the difference between the republican form of government and your socialist democratic form?
ANSWERS:
1. It has no power over those who do not consent, except when they injure the person or property of another.
2. Withdrawing consent from socialism (FICA), usury (banking), submission (political liberty) involves correcting the record and / or ceasing the exercise of the privileges involved.
3. The American nationals / free inhabitants are the sovereign people.
4. I presume it to be enough land to support one’s permanent and legal home, however small that is.
5. Sovereign people can surrender their birthrights in exchange for government privileges and entitlements. Those who were born slaves have no birthrights to surrender.
6. The revenue taxable privilege of not “paying debt’ with lawful money and using worthless repudiated IOUs is one. Being a “contributor†on the public debt (over 17 T), thus bankrupt and a pauper at law is another privilege. Being a “subject citizen†obligates one to pay taxes on any land and buildings one owns, and is another privilege.
7. The state government has authority over qualified ownership of estate (real and personal property). The state government has the duty to protect absolute ownership of private property.
8. The government has no delegation of power to govern those who have not given consent. All government can do is serve them or prosecute them if they deliberately injure the person or property of another.
9. No, the government cannot make the impossible possible. But foolish people can consent to accept the impossible.
10. Involuntary servitude is abolished within the united States and territories subject to THEIR jurisdiction *(13th amendment). Since the Federal government is a foreign corporation with respect to the States united, it would appear that one born within ITS jurisdiction is a subject citizen (14th amendment).
11. In the republican form, the people are the sovereigns, served - not ruled - by government. In the socialist democratic form, the subjects serve their government, labor for the benefit of another, and have no rights to life, liberty or property ownership.
Honest Abe wouldn't lie to us - - -
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
Abraham Lincoln - Wikiquote
[American republicanism = republican form of government]

GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government) - One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people ... directly ...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
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If you consider what a mere 5% withdrawal from FICA would cause the collapse of the "dollar bill" - billionaires would become zero-aires - and government would no longer be able to kite bad checks - the remedy has dire consequences. But doing nothing does not avert the catastrophe approaching the USA.
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Old 11-19-2014, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Texas
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And thats completely unrealistic.

No it's not.
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Old 11-19-2014, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Texas
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if they really cared is to make E-Verify the law of the land first.
Eh, Obama's social security number (from a state he never lived in) name up as "likely fradulent" by E-Verify. He's still the president.
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Old 11-19-2014, 05:49 PM
 
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This is going to blow up in the face of Obama and the Democrats.
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Old 11-19-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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And thats completely unrealistic. The real solution is e-verify, and draconian enforcement of it. Maybe the Republicans can pass a bill next year! Right?
It's already the law. Who is going to enforce this new law when the old one isn't being enforced?
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