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Old 11-21-2014, 12:06 PM
 
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President Obama has the authority to grant reprieves and pardons under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution; and Congress cannot limit the President's grant of amnesty or pardon. United States v. Klein, 80 U.S. 128 (1871).
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Nonsense. President Obama has the power under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution to grant reprieves and pardons, which power is only limited to cases of impeachment. In this, the President's action was a judicious use of executive power in that amnesty was only extended on a temporary basis, and conditional pending legislative action by Congress on immigration reform. (Don't hold your breath waiting.)
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It falls under the provision for reprieves and pardons which the President has discretion to condition. What the President is doing is in no way an impeachable offense.
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Seriously, you've been shown that is not applicable time and time again on the multiple threads you post this on. Give it up already.
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No matter how many times you say it, it still isn't relevant to this EO. Obama is claiming he has the ability to do this under prosecutorial discretion - nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with pardons.
Wendell, you keep repeating that false incorrect claim, but ignore all answers given to you. Why do you keep repeating yourself, without even addressing the people answering you?
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Old 11-21-2014, 12:06 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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From what I can see ~ this is how Executive Orders work:

If my guy is in office - it's fine.

If the other guy is in office - it's an impeachable offense.

That goes for both parties.
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Old 11-21-2014, 01:10 PM
 
Location: PA
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Look for about 6 months illegals poured in here and some where SHIPPED via planes and buses to cities as they CROSSED the borders children and such knowing OBAMA might do something like this.

Taking OBAMA out of this and just any president.
Instead of the government enforcing the law and no matter how you FEEL about illegals and or our country. The GENERAL security of our nation is at risk now congress has a job, the agencies that enforce the law, judges and system of immgrantion are to enforce the law. We have laws but it seems we dont have the will and or interest in protecting our borders for whatever the REASON. When the President then says OH those laws dont matter I will just change them because I am the president this is not a government we have here. The 3 branches and a republic is the laws we have here. Now in this instance this can be applied to many laws we have for NON citizens. So our current law even for illegals to subject to review of their status, who they live with, children etc and criminal behavior and in the turn they are deported if no case can be seen by a judge from to stay. IF the president said VIA executive order all illegals are to be shot and dumped into the sea with no trail etc. Would this be a constitutional LEGAL act? the president just cant make a executive order over laws that already exist. Saying your going to ignore the law of the people that was signed by other presidents that in the end WAS done via a constitutional way vs the president just doing what he wants himself. A bill has been sitting on Harry Reids desk from the house/repubicans for months. NO action was even taken, no veto nothing. Saying the congress doesnt want to DO anything is just the president LYING. Now what to do is the question giving every illegal a free pass is the presidents PLAN!! That is his personal plan not the untied states people or even reviewing legal options and how to stop the influx of people already coming here. The Presidents plan is him doing what he wants and it has nothing to do with a free democracy.
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Old 11-21-2014, 01:25 PM
 
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From what I can see ~ this is how Executive Orders work:

If my guy is in office - it's fine.

If the other guy is in office - it's an impeachable offense.

That goes for both parties.
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Look for about 6 months illegals poured in here and some where SHIPPED via planes and buses to cities as they CROSSED the borders children and such knowing OBAMA might do something like this.

Taking OBAMA out of this and just any president.
Instead of the government enforcing the law and no matter how you FEEL about illegals and or our country. The GENERAL security of our nation is at risk now congress has a job, the agencies that enforce the law, judges and system of immgrantion are to enforce the law. We have laws but it seems we dont have the will and or interest in protecting our borders for whatever the REASON. When the President then says OH those laws dont matter I will just change them because I am the president this is not a government we have here. The 3 branches and a republic is the laws we have here. Now in this instance this can be applied to many laws we have for NON citizens. So our current law even for illegals to subject to review of their status, who they live with, children etc and criminal behavior and in the turn they are deported if no case can be seen by a judge from to stay. IF the president said VIA executive order all illegals are to be shot and dumped into the sea with no trail etc. Would this be a constitutional LEGAL act? the president just cant make a executive order over laws that already exist. Saying your going to ignore the law of the people that was signed by other presidents that in the end WAS done via a constitutional way vs the president just doing what he wants himself. A bill has been sitting on Harry Reids desk from the house/repubicans for months. NO action was even taken, no veto nothing. Saying the congress doesnt want to DO anything is just the president LYING. Now what to do is the question giving every illegal a free pass is the presidents PLAN!! That is his personal plan not the untied states people or even reviewing legal options and how to stop the influx of people already coming here. The Presidents plan is him doing what he wants and it has nothing to do with a free democracy.
Here are some links that actually discuss the legality of this Executive Order. The short answer is that Obama is acting well within his powers and existing law.

Obama’s executive order on immigration is good policy, as well as good law – but not quite as good as it may seem - The Washington Post
Obama, immigration, and the rule of law [updated with additional material on precedents for Obama's action] - The Washington Post
Not everything the president wants to do is illegal - The Washington Post
Your complete guide to Obama’s immigration executive action - The Washington Post
How far can Obama go on deportations? - The Washington Post
President Obama should not act unilaterally on immigration - The Washington Post
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Old 11-21-2014, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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How do you pardon someone not yet convicted?
How do you circumvent the District Attorney's duty to prosecute infractions of law?
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Old 11-21-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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How do you pardon someone not yet convicted?
How do you circumvent the District Attorney's duty to prosecute infractions of law?
The District Attorney has no authority over immigration law--that is subject to the authority of the Attorney General of the United States, who is subject to the supervision of the President of the United States. It is not a pardon - it is an exercise of prosecutorial discretion.
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Old 11-21-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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Exactly. I and many others can disagree with it, and think its a bad idea, but that does not suddenly make it illegal.
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:06 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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If Congress isn't passing an immigration bill, it is obvious that they don't want an immigration bill! They want the current laws regarding ILLEGAL immigration ENFORCED! We already have laws in place regarding LEGAL immigration!
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Again, what "reform"? You are demonizing congress for not passing "amnesty" rather than enforcing our immigration laws? IMO, what a screwed up concept that is.

The GOP has a solution. Enforce the laws on the books, secure the border and remove the incentives for illegal aliens to remain here or to continue to come here. It's really that simple and that is what would be best for our country and its citizens.
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Our laws state that illegal aliens are to be deported when found. Obama isn't doing that. Instead he is giving them a stay of deportation with work permits. He is only allowing "convicted" criminals to be deported rather than any illegal alien found within our country. That's not enforcing our immigration laws but you knew that, didn't you?

Now what would be the reason multiple administrations have failed to do so?
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:09 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Texas has already said they're filing suit. In other news but still on the same topic of Obama overreach, the House filed suit today because of Obama's changes to Obamacare without Congressional approval.
Lol just politics. Texas and former tea party darlin Rick Perry knows not to mess with the cheap labor supply that many businesses rely on, lest his major business donors flex their muscles.
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Riding the light...
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The current occupier of the White House has said he would proceed with Amnesty "immigration reform" though Executive Order.
Republicans have gave a warning signal (like an Indian smoke signal) saying No, don't do it!

Could this be a treasonous act by the president and warrant impeachment?
Afterall, isn't it in the Constitution:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. The Constitution, Article I, Section 3
Better impeach him soon and make it stick for conviction and removal. This guy is gunning to replace Ban Ki Moon as Sec-Gen at the U.N. when that term expires in 2017. Can you imagine the international support he'll get if he can totally screw over Congress of the U.S.? They'll make him Sec-Gen for Life. Idi Amin would have killed for such a claim... Oh, wait!
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