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Old 11-11-2014, 01:52 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Its not abuse of power. He is, in fact, limiting the power his is wielding by saying he isn't going to enforce the law to the full extent.
Article 2, Section 3 of the Constitution: the president "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed".

It is not up to the president to choose which laws he is going to enforce based on his personal beliefs. Think a law is bad? That is what judicial review is for and that is the job of the Supreme Court, not the Executive Branch.
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Old 11-11-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Impeach him. It is what the voters want to see from Congress.
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Old 11-11-2014, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Article 2, Section 3 of the Constitution: the president "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed".

It is not up to the president to choose which laws he is going to enforce based on his personal beliefs. Think a law is bad? That is what judicial review is for and that is the job of the Supreme Court, not the Executive's.
And he can decide how to execute those laws. He faithfully executes them as he deems fit. Congress has no power to tell him how to execute the law, unless a law is passed and signed by him telling him how to do so.

So again, no, he has not broken his constitutional oath, and is well within his power to stop deportation of certain people.
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Old 11-11-2014, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Its not abuse of power. He is, in fact, limiting the power his is wielding by saying he isn't going to enforce the law to the full extent.
Wow, Memphis. I can't believe that YOU, of all people, just did that twisty little dance.

So if your boss gives you something to do, and you only do half of the task assigned, do you claim that you were just "limiting your power"? Would your boss be right to fire you for that?

You're one of the few people I actually respect on this forum, Memphis, but stuff like the above chips away at that respect. You probably don't care, and there's no reason you should, but I figured I'd let you know anyway. You're (usually) a straight shooter, but give me a break with this "he's limiting his power" crap. He's EXERCISING, if not abusing, his power by selectively enforcing the laws of this country, which is HIS JOB. Nothing about NOT enforcing the laws that congress creates is "limiting his power."

As executive, he does have the authority to allocate resources according to the priority of the tasks involved, but he doesn't get to say, "I'm not going to enforce this law because I disagree with it." That's making policy, and that is the job of the legislature.

I seriously can't believe that you actually made that ridiculous excuse for the man. I thought you weren't one of the brainwashed, but now I'm starting to wonder.
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Old 11-11-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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Before we all go crazy with the silly ass predictions and get ourselves into fits of apoplexy, why not just wait until the Republicans take power and see what happens.

Maybe, just maybe they can come up with a bipartisan solution.
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Old 11-11-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Impeach him. It is what the voters want to see from Congress.
You have a poll showing that a majority of Americans want the President to be impeached? I'd like to see that.
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Old 11-11-2014, 01:56 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Before we all go crazy with the silly ass predictions and get ourselves into fits of apoplexy, why not just wait until the Republicans take power and see what happens.

Maybe, just maybe they can come up with a bipartisan solution.
The only solution is to enforce the laws like they are supposed to do.

Anything else is BS.
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Old 11-11-2014, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Wow, Memphis. I can't believe that YOU, of all people, just did that twisty little dance.

So if your boss gives you something to do, and you only do half of the task assigned, do you claim that you were just "limiting your power"? Would your boss be right to fire you for that?

You're one of the few people I actually respect on this forum, Memphis, but stuff like the above chips away at that respect. You probably don't care, and there's no reason you should, but I figured I'd let you know anyway. You're (usually) a straight shooter, but give me a break with this "he's limiting his power" crap. He's EXERCISING, if not abusing, his power by selectively enforcing the laws of this country, which is HIS JOB. Nothing about NOT enforcing the laws that congress creates is "limiting his power."

As executive, he does have the authority to allocate resources according to the priority of the tasks involved, but he doesn't get to say, "I'm not going to enforce this law because I disagree with it." That's making policy, and that is the job of the legislature.

I seriously can't believe that you actually made that ridiculous excuse for the man. I thought you weren't one of the brainwashed, but now I'm starting to wonder.
My boss could fire me. If he had done this in 2011, for instance, his boss (us) could have fired him if we felt it necessary. His term is up in two years, and a new President can enforce the law how they deem fit. But he isn't abusing his power, he is limiting it.

If congress passed a law tomorrow, and it was veto proof with 2/3rds of both houses saying "alcohol is now illegal to sale" the President decides how to execute that policy. He could, in fact, hire one guy in the whole country to do that job. He can limit that guy to hiring no fellow employees. He can limit that guy to staying in his office for all but 1 minute of the day. That is all within the Presidents power.
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Old 11-11-2014, 02:03 PM
 
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Its not abuse of power. He is, in fact, limiting the power his is wielding by saying he isn't going to enforce the law to the full extent.
Didn't he take an oath to uphold our laws? Yea, thought so....
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Old 11-11-2014, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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What exactly is he violating with his oath?
I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

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The constitution grants him and all Presidents the power not to execute a law passed by congress.
I'm sure you wouldn't mind citing the text that "grants him and all Presidents the power not to execute a law passed by congress."

Here's a link to the text of the constitution, so you don't have to find it yourself - Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text

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The President sees it as a waste of money to enforce the immigration laws
First, you don't know what the president thinks any more than I do, but even if he did think that, it doesn't change his responsibility to execute the laws of the nation. Again, you're arguing that the president has the authority to make policy. He doesn't. Period.
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