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Michael Eric Dyson owned Giuliani in that debate. As long as conservatives like this guy uses false equivalencies in discussions, they won't have a leg to stand on...
I think it has more to do with the income level of the communities and not so much the race. A poor community will certainly have more crime compared to a middle/upper class community.
There are plenty of poor white communities in the sticks. Are they killing each other at the rates blacks are?
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Michael Eric Dyson owned Giuliani in that debate. As long as conservatives like this guy uses false equivalencies in discussions, they won't have a leg to stand on...
That's funny because I saw it the exact other way around.
That's funny because I saw it the exact other way around.
Exactly, but that is not the popular opinion here. What he said was that the police are in the neighborhoods because the crime is so high. MED said that they get arrested when they commit a crime. Duh! Who does he think has to arrest the murderers, etc.? When you have high crime, you have a high police presence. You want to get rid of the police presence? Bring down your crime, clean up your neighborhoods. Hire exclusively black cops for black neighborhoods if that is what will make this minister happy. Let them police their own neighborhoods, it will likely be more effective.
Interesting how the left likes to assign collective responsibility, yet refuses to assign collective blame. In other words, we all have a responsibility to pay for social welfare programs, but when it comes to crime then it's just the individual that's responsible for his conduct.
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Interesting how the left likes to assign collective responsibility, yet refuses to assign collective blame. In other words, we all have a responsibility to pay for social welfare programs, but when it comes to crime then it's just the individual that's responsible for his conduct.
The same people (and in this case person) will rail white (collective) pride as well, all the while hail black and other various forms of (collective) pride.
"White Police Officers Won't Be There If You Weren't Killing Each Other 70% Of The Time"
To be quite honest, Dyson is not the one killing other Black people. When someone tells me "if you wouldn't do this or that", I take it personal. I'm not the one perpetuating crimes and doing stupid stuff. Guliani could have said "police officers wouldn't have to work as hard if those thugs didn't murder each other".
When I say something, I assign blame to the actual persons responsible, the thugs who are committing crimes. There is no "you people" with me. It is "those specific thugs" who are responsible.
Good post. However, people in this forum call people racist for using the word thug.
Michael Eric Dyson owned Giuliani in that debate. As long as conservatives like this guy uses false equivalencies in discussions, they won't have a leg to stand on...
To be fair, he never really let Giuliani finish his point. The debate was basically over before it started.
One thing that I rarely hear pointed out about this notion of the disproportionate amount of police officers is the dramatic shift in population in Ferguson over the course of 10 years or so. The white population dropped 15% from 2000 to 2010. That is a huge shift!!! Perhaps the makeup of the police force can largely be attributed to representing the population before the shift. Even if it was disproportionate then, how do you account for representing such a huge change in your population?
Also I thin Giuliani made some points that I think is fair. I don't care if Michael Eric Dyson is a minister, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The reality is, when was the last time you seen him on Meet the Press to be that passionate about a black on black crime? There maybe times when the claims of mistreatment are legitimate, but these arguments are missing the bigger issue and trivializing young lives. People are so quick to turn these situations into opportunities of social justice but when you have 10 people being gunned down in Chicago during the weekends while you are protesting in Ferguson, what does that say about how much you value these young peoples lives? No honestly, is this about making a point or about saving lives?
There are plenty of poor white communities in the sticks. Are they killing each other at the rates blacks are?
Are poor black people in the sticks killing each other at the same rate as poor black people in the urban hoods? A better comparison would be poor white people in urban communities. Poor and urban tend to be the high crime areas.
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