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Old 12-02-2014, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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The government has also admitted wrongdoing, apologized, and Japanese-Americans who lost things were given reparations.
That is right.
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Old 12-02-2014, 03:17 PM
 
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Many Asians are first generation immigrants. They made the conscious choice to come knowing what they were getting into. They already took it into consideration.
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Old 12-02-2014, 03:26 PM
 
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That is right.
There is one other thing I want to point out. Much of the Asian population that is here today came after 1965. Immigration from Asia was minimal for about 40+ years before that. There is a totally different narrative between Blacks and Asians. The Black African immigrants that are coming here are doing quite well in terms of education and other things. Same goes for alot of Afro-Caribbean immigrants.

And something else. Asians come in different ethnicities. It is more than just Japanese, Chinese, and Korean. There are Hmong, Cambodian, Sri Lankan, Pakistani, Vietnamese, Thai, Burmese, Laotian,etc. While levels of education and income are quite high among Japanese-Americans and Korean-Americans, it tends to be lower among Hmong-Americans and Cambodian-Americans. In Minnesota and Wisconsin, there are Hmong gangs.
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Old 12-02-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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Many Asians are first generation immigrants. They made the conscious choice to come knowing what they were getting into. They already took it into consideration.
That doesn't exempt one from victimhood status. Immigration to the United States is not only a sacred civil right owed to every member of species homo sapiens the world over, but apparently also an irresistible compulsion to all, even in the face of terrible racism/prejudice/bigotry/etc.
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Old 12-02-2014, 10:08 PM
 
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Not those Indians. The other Indians.
The others also have institutionalized discrimination: the casts.
For now they don't have the numbers, the history and the power to voice their concerns
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Old 12-02-2014, 10:24 PM
 
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That doesn't exempt one from victimhood status. Immigration to the United States is not only a sacred civil right owed to every member of species homo sapiens the world over, but apparently also an irresistible compulsion to all, even in the face of terrible racism/prejudice/bigotry/etc.
Immigration is a lot more complex than that and the main reason why the US agreed to more immigration from Asia is that during the Cold War, Asian countries demanded that the US open up to Asian immigrants or it would not support the US against the Soviet Union. The US also pressured West Germany into accepting Turkish immigrants since they wanted Turkey to be a stalwart NATO ally. If you want to blame someone for opening up the borders to the world, blame US politicians who thought it was more important to win the Cold War than to close the borders.
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Old 12-03-2014, 08:23 AM
 
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That doesn't exempt one from victimhood status. Immigration to the United States is not only a sacred civil right owed to every member of species homo sapiens the world over, but apparently also an irresistible compulsion to all, even in the face of terrible racism/prejudice/bigotry/etc.
I am not saying they are not victims of racial or ethnic discrimination. I am saying that being recent immigrants is part of the reason they don't complain much in the face of discrimination.
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Old 12-03-2014, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I happen to take interest in history in general, as it is related to the present, and there is so much to learn regarding American history.

Chinese, Japanese and Irish are nationalities/cultural groups, groups that still have ties to their ethnic origins. "Black" people in the U.S. are made of over 40 ethnicities that are unknown to them because of the degree of cruelty inflicted on them. The fact that you refer to them as "black" rather than ethnicities like Irish or Japanese is evidence of the extremity of what happened to them.

The point regarding assimilation is certainly true for plenty.
This is a very important point and one is many often miss or ignore.
Even among whites that have been here since the Founding, they can point to some cultural history, even if it is bare wisp of a memory. They KNOW where their people came from.

The majority of Black Americans have no such history or relation to the past. It was stolen from them long ago.
And then, to make matters worse, historically they have been born and live out their lives in a country that has shunned and abused them for generations. They should in reality be regarded, and regard themselves, as real Americans as they have no ties to anywhere else, but, it is well nigh impossible to do so given this nation's history.

As for the OP, one is ill-served to define the presence or absence of racism by the perception of success alone. Unless you can conduct a study among every single member of every group, making these sorts of blanket statements illustrates nothing more than wishful thinking.
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Old 12-03-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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Asians and Indians do great in the U.S., but they're minority. Why is that?
Native Americans do complain about racism and the land your ancestors stole, oh wait you're talking about Indians from India, Well those Indians from India are Asian.You just don't hear about it because they are low in number. Or at this point it's not news worthy but they do complain.
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Old 12-03-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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Uh: the Japanese Americans DID have a lot of that kind of stuff happen to them before WW 2 in Cali AND there were the internment camps, which was bald faced racism right there. But they didn't let that crap "keep them in their place". Maybe because their kind are like Black people from Africa living in the US who DON'T let racism from anybody keep them down.
I was referring to that specific poster, let's not let this turn into a free-for-all here.
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