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Old 01-05-2016, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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If this standoff were to end with LEO raiding and killing some/all the militiamen, how would that be any different, from a procedural perspective, than what happened to Eric Garner? Tamir Rice? John Crawford?

The argument that LEO has used to defend their killings, and the argument that Conservative voices accept and repeat, boils down to these three points:

Fact #1: What the victim is doing appears to be illegal.
Fact #2: They are disobeying direct orders from LEO.
Fact #3: They could be dangerous.

Would Conservative media hold these militiamen to the same standards that they hold others to, or would they denounce LEO?
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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If this standoff were to end with LEO raiding and killing some/all the militiamen, how would that be any different, from a procedural perspective, than what happened to Eric Garner? Tamir Rice? John Crawford?

The argument that LEO has used to defend their killings, and the argument that Conservative voices accept and repeat, boils down to these three points:

Fact #1: What the victim is doing appears to be illegal.
Fact #2: They are disobeying direct orders from LEO.
Fact #3: They could be dangerous.

Would Conservative media hold these militiamen to the same standards that they hold others to, or would they denounce LEO?

LEO cannot use lethal force to prevent a non-violent crime.
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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1) Are they doing anything illegal? Burning any buildings, looting businesses, destroying property? At worst they might be disrupting the 2 people a month that might go to the refuge. Not like they are shutting down interstate highways, blocking businesses or occupying public parks or private malls.

2) Moot point since, AFAIK they have not been given any direct orders from LEO.

3) And?
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:49 PM
 
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Lets please not make this a conservative/non-conservative thing. Nor should this be seen as the same as some of those you listed.


I am a conservative.


I don't know why the cops haven't gone in and arrested the lot of these people. they are breaking the law.


Period. end of discussion.
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:54 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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If this standoff were to end with LEO raiding and killing some/all the militiamen, how would that be any different, from a procedural perspective, than what happened to Eric Garner? Tamir Rice? John Crawford?

The argument that LEO has used to defend their killings, and the argument that Conservative voices accept and repeat, boils down to these three points:

Fact #1: What the victim is doing appears to be illegal.
Fact #2: They are disobeying direct orders from LEO.
Fact #3: They could be dangerous.

Would Conservative media hold these militiamen to the same standards that they hold others to, or would they denounce LEO?
If even one hair on their heads is harmed, you know it's going to be Obama's fault.

That way no one has to take sides...haha
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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If this standoff were to end with LEO raiding and killing some/all the militiamen, how would that be any different, from a procedural perspective, than what happened to Eric Garner? Tamir Rice? John Crawford?

The argument that LEO has used to defend their killings, and the argument that Conservative voices accept and repeat, boils down to these three points:

Fact #1: What the victim is doing appears to be illegal.
Fact #2: They are disobeying direct orders from LEO.
Fact #3: They could be dangerous.

Would Conservative media hold these militiamen to the same standards that they hold others to, or would they denounce LEO?
No. The government killing white people in an election year is usually not awfully popular. And, as we all know, patriotism is very, very white. Dark is the color of insurrection and terrorism.

White=patriot. Dark=terrorist. Got it? Test during fifth period.

It really makes no difference if they come out riding in a Cadillac or bagged and tagged in the back of a NWS pickup truck. Their lunatic supporters are going to hold them up as martyrs no matter what.
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
If this standoff were to end with LEO raiding and killing some/all the militiamen, how would that be any different, from a procedural perspective, than what happened to Eric Garner? Tamir Rice? John Crawford?

The argument that LEO has used to defend their killings, and the argument that Conservative voices accept and repeat, boils down to these three points:

Fact #1: What the victim is doing appears to be illegal.
Fact #2: They are disobeying direct orders from LEO.
Fact #3: They could be dangerous.

Would Conservative media hold these militiamen to the same standards that they hold others to, or would they denounce LEO?
Your OP is dishonest. A conservative believes in a small government especially at the Federal level.
Your facts are made up nonsense.
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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I'm not "conservative" but I'll answer anyway. I look at who is initiating force. Which person was the first to bring violence into a non-violent situation? That person or group is the bad guy.

I think that would be law enforcement here.
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:25 PM
 
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If they are breaking the law, they should be arrested. If they are arrested and resist arrest and/or point a weapon at officers and the officer shoot and kill them as a result, then it would be just as tragic as any shooting by a police officer is. If you do not resist arrest, there is no reason for a police officer to draw his weapon.

We don't need another Ruby Ridge or Waco, Texas. Since both events happened under a democrat administration, it is very possible that we will see the same result here.
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:33 PM
 
Location: MS
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No. The government killing white people in an election year is usually not awfully popular. And, as we all know, patriotism is very, very white. Dark is the color of insurrection and terrorism.

White=patriot. Dark=terrorist. Got it? Test during fifth period.

It really makes no difference if they come out riding in a Cadillac or bagged and tagged in the back of a NWS pickup truck. Their lunatic supporters are going to hold them up as martyrs no matter what.
Vicki Weaver was murdered by FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi during an election year.
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