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Old 11-29-2014, 06:33 PM
 
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I just re-watched it a couple of days ago.

His predictions bear an eerily unsettling resemblance to the short term future after said predictions were made. His argument about WHY Obama does what he does has gained a lot of credibilty - that is, the actions are better explained by D'Souza's arguments than any other I have found or can figure out on my own.
How about that prediction with illegal aliens and opening the border. Middle class.. you're screwed!
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Old 11-29-2014, 08:20 PM
 
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Default Inaccurate,

Propaganda? Yes. However, America simply does not have the complete control of the manufacturing process of everything..from washing machines to automobiles. No longer do we exclusively own the wealth.
No longer the American century---- we are very simply not the manufacturing colossus that we used to be.We do not make everything anymore, it is made cheaper elsewhere.
Used to be ....that is what gave us the highest standard of living the earth has ever seen. The world has simply gotten smaller and China and Japan and Brazil and India are all in the "running" , competing with us, leveling the playing field so to speak. We are still the innovators, the newest and first. We shall stay there, I think, in that position. However all else (countries) are pedaling as fast as they can to catch up.
I read just yesterday that in 2015 China will pass us in manufacturing capability. Bigger.
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This is the problem with government schools, both parties use them for purposes of spreading propaganda and it gets worse with each passing generation.
America is no longer exceptional, it has become a militaristic empire with a docile welfare addicted population.
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Old 11-29-2014, 08:40 PM
 
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America, Imagine The World Without Her (2014)
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Dinesh D’Souza does a bang up job deflating the hot air balloon of the leftist / collectivist / socialist slavers. He shows that the world has suffered from conquest throughout history and that the USA’s wealth was not found upon conquest, but upon free enterprise. He effectively counters the “left” and their false accusations of imperialism. Unfortunately, by design or omission, his defense of America also defends the “other gang” who seek to pillage and enslave.

Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” suffered from a similar gaffe - attacking the “Left” and its dehumanizing subservience to the State - without recognizing the “other gang.”

What is the nature of the “other gang?”

Like socialist slavers and slave owners of the past, they seek to enjoy the benefits of other people’s labor without equitable trade.

Contrary to widespread belief, the “Capitalists” (bankers and stock corporations) are NOT truly capitalism. They prey upon capitalism. In fact, under America’s definition of private property, the true capitalists are those who absolutely own themselves, their lands, and their enterprises, that they use to harmlessly support their endowed right to life. A farmer who absolutely owns his farm is a capitalist by right. A corporation that has qualified ownership (a privilege) of a farm is not capitalism.

Capitalism can never be a government granted privilege. For if it was, there could not be “FREE” enterprise. It would forever be constrained and delimited by government - and those who surreptitiously control it.

The real capitalists are victims of twin forces : money madness and usury. Those who use money madness and usury to compel others to work and pay a skim are predators that are part of the “other gang.”

The entrepreneur or businessman who takes a skim of his laborers, as profit, is not in the same category as the usurers who take a skim of their debtors. A business operates by generating a profit from the creation and trade of usable goods and services. A usurer gains profit from loaning / investing his money tokens, and endlessly skimming interest until repaid. The two are widely different.

A business can operate outside of money madness, whereas usury can not. Unless there is a need for money, imposed by government or custom, money madness cannot operate. And without scarcity of money and demand, the usurers cannot prosper at our expense. That is the crucial element missing from the narrative of the anti-left.

In short, beware of propaganda that appears to attack the “left” while keeping silent about the abomination of usury and the dangers of money madness.

>> Red Flag anything that omits condemning
>> usury,
>> government creation of money,
>> limited liability corporations, and
>> underwriting (insurance - legalized gambling and extortion).

And especially beware of proponents of “Democracy” who are silent on “The Republican Form of Government.”

[Addendum: usury is mathematically unsustainable in a finite money token system. Due to the exponential equation for compound interest, an infinite money supply is required. Since that is impossible, usury forces a proportion of debtors to default simply because enough money never existed. Thus cyclical economic busts occur, collateral changes hands, and the system resets.
Usury has been denounced as an abomination for “only” 3500 years. But since usurers rule the world, the question is moot.]
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:07 PM
 
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Default Almost Complete nonsense pnwmdk,

What happened here was not warfare against native American cultures. It was a near complete genocide.
Warfare between native American cultures was another thing altogether. Completely.
Forgot the figures but I think offhand-- 6 million aboriginal American pop. originally and ended up down to six figures pop. after the slaughter of millions by God fearing "Christians". Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.They could not stand to share the untold wealth of this continent with the original inhabitants.
Thus began the ecological rape of an unspoiled continent after the near extermination of a people for the ground beneath their feet. Sin all week and saved on Sunday. If God is a just God all have answered.
LAND.
There is your explanation. This is not an "almost what as if " explanation--it is, what is. America's two great sins ..... genocide of the native Americans and the enslavement of blacks.
Don't try to whitewash it all away with rationalization.
This is not a fantasy. It is what occurred but not explained in plain english American history books. Native Americans are now among the poorest of the poor subgroups in this country. It is racism, no less. Then and now. Always has been .
"America, America, God shed his blood on thee". From sea to shining sea.
Manifest Destiny- nonsense. Cold blooded Murder. Without moral guideline. Columbus did not discover "America." Many came before- Arabs, South Sea Islanders, Norwegians and others. The exclusivity is contrived. Nonsense. You've penned more nonsense than I care to answer to, but this is enough.
There were already people living here anyway at that time. I am sure the great discovery was considered news to them ....they were already here. I wonder if Columbus and the pilgrims had green cards?
It has been lost to history.

Many of the native cultures still do exist too. Many native born Am. Indians may well wear eyeglasses during their ancient ceremonies and rituals but they nevertheless remain intact and exactly as they were so long ago.

Some of the most convoluted screwball thinking I have seen here; in this post on native Americans..
There, you've had it explained to you. Do you understand now ? Transformative? Big word, ewwww.

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It's almost as if you never learned that the natives slaughtered each other, enslaved each other, raped, pillaged, killed wantonly.

It's almost as if you never thought of what would have happened if, say, the Nazis of the 30's had been the ones to "colonize" America. Or the Russians.

It's almost as if you believed that said cultures could somehow have remained intact and static as the world transformed around them, and it would have not ever impacted them negatively.

The transformative nature of the written word, technological advancement, communication, transportation, and commerce, was never going to leave North America untouched - the question is, had the revolution not occurred, had the British not colonized, what would the future (which is now history) have turned out to be?

The clash of cultures existed here before the first white man ever set foot. Territories were disputed, tribes rose and became dominant and others collapsed or were conquered or slaughtered.

Yet, somehow, this fantasy world so many imagine holds sway among supposedly "educated" people who claim to be sophisticated and knowledgeable.

Can you explain it?
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:12 PM
 
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When the people of the world find your country to be the world's greatest threat to peace, maybe it is time to knock off with the jingoistic crap and face the reality of what your nation has turned into. The US, since Vietnam at least, has turned into a menace, not a model.
The "people of the world"? More like the idiotic leftist minority of the world.
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:22 PM
 
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The "people of the world"? More like the idiotic leftist minority of the world.
This response is so devoid of intelligent thought, it's almost hard for me to even know the best way to respond to this. So I'll just ask this, what has America done that has truly saved the world in the last 40 years? As far as I can see, all we've done is turn our once great republic into a corporation. We suck weaker countries dry as we force allies onto ourselves with economic power, and a massive military just for show. We wage war for monetary gain. Even back home, our media is a lie, our politicians are businessmen, and the people are living under a fascist state and don't even care. They either take on a crusade of a filler issue or think America is so star-spangled awesome that even when the disagree with what happens, they are too weak to do what needs to be done.

America is a joke. A hollow shell of what it once was and what it once could be. The world would be better off without this country.
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Old 11-30-2014, 12:40 AM
 
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America's .... genocide of the native Americans ... Don't try to whitewash it all away with rationalization.
AMERINDIAN GENOCIDE?

GENOCIDE - The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of an entire national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.

Not according to the facts
...
The American Indians did suffer population reduction, especially after initial exposure to European diseases. But Europeans also suffered population reduction, when exposed to Asian diseases, like the Black Death (bubonic plague).

Restating, the Amerindians were not victims of European genocide - it was their diseases that cleared them out.

For example, the Spanish explorer Francisco de Orellana, the 16th century explorer who was the first European to traverse the Amazon River, reported densely populated regions running hundreds of kilometers along the river, suggesting population levels exceeding even those of today. But later explorers found the region depopulated, and the culture reduced to stone age implements. His stories were disbelieved for hundreds of years. Only recently, archaeologists discovered evidence of a mighty civilization that vanished shortly after the arrival of Orellana.
European diseases are the major suspects.

Coincidentally, Orellana's reports of extensive agriculture overturn the "Green" belief that the rainforest should be sacrosanct from development.
(See "Terra preta" for more info)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_de_Orellana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta
The Straight Dope: Why did so many Native Americans die of European diseases but not vice versa?
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What about INDIAN GENOCIDE against INDIANS?

How is Canada's physical diversity the result of geologic development?* How does soil influence vegetation and... - Homework Help - eNotes.com
“... the Iroquois may have committed genocide against the Huron, who ceased to exist as a confederacy in 1649.”
Native Spirituality - Huron Holocaust
“Iroquois attacks
“But suddenly a greater threat was upon them all. The Iroquois were making ever deeper raids into Huron territory, their eyes on control of the fur trade. Since they could not make a deal with the Hurons, they decided to exterminate them. It was a deadly struggle. Many people were killed, captured and tortured. At the same time the new faith in Jesus was spreading rapidly everywhere throughout the nation.
“Martyrdom
“In March of 1649 the Iroquois launched a series of surprise attacks on the Huron villages and burned them to the ground. People young and old were slaughtered mercilessly. The Iroquois hated the Black Robes and the new religion even more than they hated the Hurons. A host of Huron Christians and their priests were captured and forced to run the gauntlet. Hundreds were horribly tortured to death.
“Numerous stories have been handed on of these first Native martyrs for Christ. Men, women and children refused to give up their faith preferring torture and death to losing eternity. Their enemies were astonished at how they faced their deaths joyfully praising God.”
This narrative is omitted from the atheistic left wing revisionism of the “evil” Europeans. Can’t have the students get the idea that a “godless” stone age tribe would engage in genocide against "Christian" Indians.
.....

NO GENOCIDE ON THE PLAINS
The "genocide" myth - Custer and the Little Bighorn
In the end, the sad fate of America's Indians represents not a crime but a tragedy, involving an irreconcilable collision of cultures and values. Despite the efforts of well-meaning people in both camps, there existed no good solution to this clash. The Indians were not prepared to give up the nomadic life of the hunter for the sedentary life of the farmer. The new Americans, convinced of their cultural and racial superiority, were unwilling to grant the original inhabitants of the continent the VAST PRESERVE of land required by the Indians’ way of life. The consequence was a conflict in which there were few heroes, but which was far from a simple tale of hapless victims and merciless aggressors. To fling the charge of genocide at an entire society serves neither the interests of the Indians nor those of history.
. . .

Under international law, displacing aborigines is justified only when it can be shown that their displacement results in supporting far more people on the improved land.

In other words, displacing a tribe of 100 from their land so that 10,000 can be supported is justified by the lives of the 9,900. The error was not re-integrating the displaced persons back into the original lands. But the hunter / gatherer culture of the indigenous people was not compatible with that goal, which was the reason for “Reservations.” And since they were hunter/gatherers and not farmers, why would you resettle them on agricultural land?

United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
USA : 3,794,101 sq mi, 640 acres to a sq.mi, or 2,428,224,640 acres.

According to the Department of the Interior, a hunter / gatherer, such as a tribal Indian, needed 10 sq. mi. per person to sustain themselves. (This was for sizing reservations) (Think of a circle with a radius of 1.78 miles - for each person)

Based on 3,794,101 sq. mi., that’s only enough for a population of 379,410 indigenous people living a primitive lifestyle, without organized agriculture. Such figures do poke holes in the myths that "millions and millions" of American Indians were slaughtered by "genocidal Europeans."


Addendum:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populat...f_the_Americas
This one sentence sums up the issue:
" The introduction of new forms of intensive agriculture by Europeans let them grow enough food in a given area to support many more people than the native hunting and gathering societies could."

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Old 11-30-2014, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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The world would be better off without this country.
Where do we go if we don't have America as a country? What countries will take Americans as refugees? Europe? They don't want us? Asians? They don't want us. Nobody wants us.

I am very selfish, so if there is a God, God bless America.
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Old 11-30-2014, 06:45 AM
 
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Where do we go if we don't have America as a country? What countries will take Americans as refugees? Europe? They don't want us? Asians? They don't want us. Nobody wants us.

I am very selfish, so if there is a God, God bless America.
Do you see as many people wanting to get INTO ANY OTHER country as the numbers wanting to come here?

God HAS blessed American, and abundantly. That's why most of the rest of the world is so jealous of us.
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Old 11-30-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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This response is so devoid of intelligent thought, it's almost hard for me to even know the best way to respond to this. So I'll just ask this, what has America done that has truly saved the world in the last 40 years? As far as I can see, all we've done is turn our once great republic into a corporation. We suck weaker countries dry as we force allies onto ourselves with economic power, and a massive military just for show. We wage war for monetary gain. Even back home, our media is a lie, our politicians are businessmen, and the people are living under a fascist state and don't even care. They either take on a crusade of a filler issue or think America is so star-spangled awesome that even when the disagree with what happens, they are too weak to do what needs to be done.

America is a joke. A hollow shell of what it once was and what it once could be. The world would be better off without this country.
Ladies and gentlemen, the pea-brained idiotic leftist minority in action.
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