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Old 11-28-2014, 05:57 PM
 
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Iran has murdered or maimed thousands of americans, or didn't you know that?

At this point, iran is in violation of probably 10 UNSC resolutions that i can think of.

Iran is fomenting wars in at least four other countries in the mideast, and is responsible for large amounts of terrorism worldwide.

Adults know there are many, many legitimate reasons for attacking iran and wiping its regime off the map - how come you don't?
when did iran attack american citizens?

which 10 UN resolutions are they in violation of?

and what action has the UN authorized against iran for those violations?

iran isnt the only country fomenting wars in other countries, the US does it also. does that mean someone should be authorized to attack the US because of that?

the last time the US had just cause to attack iran was back in 1979 when they took over the US embassy and held 53 americans hostage for 444 days. once they released the hostages, we had no further reason to invade that country. you can try to make the claim that the iranian government has attacked the US, but you have no proof, if you do then provide it to the US government, and the UN, and work to get a resolution passed to allow the use of force against iran, and then get the congress to pass a use of force bill and send it to the president.

 
Old 11-28-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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Iran has murdered or maimed thousands of americans, or didn't you know that?
America overthrew Iran's elected government and installed a Shah whose secret police tortured or murdered thousands of Iranians, so...

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At this point, iran is in violation of probably 10 UNSC resolutions that i can think of.
Jolly good! Then listing them won't take long at all.

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Adults know there are many, many legitimate reasons for attacking iran and wiping its regime off the map - how come you don't?
This is where you list the legitimate reasons, because jingoistic BS of the "Is there a man in the room?" is the worst possible reason for war.
 
Old 11-28-2014, 06:04 PM
 
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When a person asks his city to fix the roads, does he need to join a work crew? When a person asks his state to provide more efficient power, does he need to become a nuclear physicist? When a parent asks their municipality to open more schools and relieve overcrowding, do they need to become a teacher?

So why this juvenile level of "argument" for use of the military?
Road crews, power plant engineers and teachers rarely bleed out in the sand thousands of miles from home leaving their family with a folded flag in their place. That's why.
 
Old 11-28-2014, 06:32 PM
 
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The ten years of wasted time playing this game of charade diplomacy while iran builds nuclear weapons, and foments war across the mideast, all of which have served no purpose other than to grant the scum of the earth: khameini, putin, the chinese dictatorship and other rat holes with the message that the West, and in particular, the US, is a paper tiger afraid of its own shadow.

Iran is constructing a broad array of nuclear weapons to cement their hold on Lebanon, Yemen, Gaza and iraq - and make themselves immune from any attempts to conduct regime change, both internal and external. I've no doubt that psychopathic, cancerous, murderous regimes like iran's would use them on their own people to stay in power, a notion supported by their willingness to mass murder hundreds, if not thousands, of their own citizens in 2009 and at other times.

Obama needs to understand that there is no reasoning or negotiating with a regime of this nature; their sole existence is war and to spread their diseased version of islamic theocratic revolution across the mideast, and ultimately, entire world.

Extending these pointless negotiations will achieve nothing save grant the iranian filth more time to achieve a nuclear weapon, most of which is undoubtedly clandestine. This is nothing to say of the Parchin and Fordow facilities at which iran's regime has never allowed inspections of any kind.

Even if an agreement of some kind were signed, any rational human knows such a piece of paper with the iranian dung would not be worth the paper it is printed on.

It would be better to strike them now, and exterminate this horrific regime now, before they have pulled a north korea or pakistan and tested a weapon that comes as a surprise to Western intelligence agencies.

Is there a man in the room, obama?
And then what? Please present your plans for the next step after we exterminate Iran's government.
We cannot kill all Iranians, after all, so more of them will remain after their leaders are wiped out. Who will lead them? Us?
Do you want to move there to do it? I don't think so. Don't ask me to go there because I don't want the job either.

What's your next step, Madison? For us, war is the easiest step of all. If you have nothing prepared to follow, then don't propose to go to slaughter quite so fast. We are already falling back into an old tar pit that came from thinking like yours in Iraq. How much deeper do you want the pit to be?

if you think you're man enough to do it, then go for it. Manliness isn't measured in the number of guns a guy owns. It's measured in what he does for his people, especially those who follow him.
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