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Old 12-02-2014, 09:21 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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Untrue. 2:1 or better since 1954. Thought to extend into the 40s. See Pew Research.

So what is your new theory?

If we really wished to fix the problem I would think an employer of last resort. Might save half the cost by all those people no longer incarcerated.
Yes, from 1900-1954 African American unemployment was equal or lower than White unemployment, you are correct. Imagine that, during the racist days of Jim Crow & the Klan, African Americans at least were able to find employment. It disproves the racist notion that Blacks don't want to work or aren't capable of working. It lends credence to the idea that long term welfare & social programs strip people of their basic dignity.

I was mocking the data that someone else posted, that incorrectly claimed African Americans has "always" had this unemployment gap, but linked an article that only counted 1972 until present, conveniently omitting everything from 1900-1954.

The unemployment gap is all about the implementation of the Minimum Wage. It was passed in 1938, but only about half the jobs in America were complying in 1950. Then the Minimum Wage was implemented en masse & by 1972 African Americans had fallen behind by 50%. It's not a theory, it's fact.

Just like it's a fact that the Minimum Wage was created by racists to keep the poor & minority's out of the workforce. That's why it was passed in Canada. That's why it was passed in Australia. That's why it was passed in South Africa. That's why, at the very least, it was introduced in the United States.

Sometimes things just aren't as they seem. Well intentioned people today support the Minimum Wage, but the vast majority have no understanding of what it was designed to do or how it has negatively impacted African Americans. It's especially sad when I see African Americans supporting it. As Malcolm X said, they've been "hoodwinked".

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Old 12-02-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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Indirectly, unemployment is killing young black men.

With a black high school graduation rate in this country of around 68% compared to Hispanic at 76%, white at 85%, and Asian at 93%* and an unemployment rate of 52% for young black male dropouts**, black crime proliferates.
Yeah that's the point I was making about high black unemployment breeding the social problems that lead to more crime.
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Old 12-02-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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Yes, from 1900-1954 African American unemployment was equal or lower than White unemployment, you are correct. Imagine that, during the racist days of Jim Crow & the Klan, African Americans at least were able to find employment. It disproves the racist notion that Blacks don't want to work or aren't capable of working. It lends credence to the idea that long term welfare & social programs strip people of their basic dignity.

I was mocking the data that someone else posted, that incorrectly claimed African Americans has "always" had this unemployment gap, but linked an article that only counted 1972 until present, conveniently omitting everything from 1900-1954.

The unemployment gap is all about the implementation of the Minimum Wage. It was passed in 1938, but only about half the jobs in America were complying in 1950. Then the Minimum Wage was implemented en masse & by 1972 African Americans had fallen behind by 50%. It's not a theory, it's fact.

Just like it's a fact that the Minimum Wage was created by racists to keep the poor & minority's out of the workforce. That's why it was passed in Canada. That's why it was passed in Australia. That's why it was passed in South Africa. That's why, at the very least, it was introduced in the United States.

Sometimes things just aren't as they seem. Well intentioned people today support the Minimum Wage, but the vast majority have no understanding of what it was designed to do or how it has negatively impacted African Americans. It's especially sad when I see African Americans supporting it. As Malcolm X said, they've been "hoodwinked".
Your theory is popular only among a narrow range of economists such as Sowell and Williams. That would of course lead to a view that the theory is a partisan one with strong support only on the far right. Even such sources as the some what conservative WSJ are much more careful about the impact using low skilled wage earners as the harmed group rather than Blacks.

I would note that the Black unemployment tracks at twice or worse even in times of very low unemployment. That would tend to suggest it is inherent in the system rather than driven by the minimum wage.
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Old 12-02-2014, 02:56 PM
 
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Your theory is popular only among a narrow range of economists such as Sowell and Williams. That would of course lead to a view that the theory is a partisan one with strong support only from educated African Americans. Even such sources as the some what conservative WSJ are much more careful about the impact using low skilled wage earners as the harmed group rather than Blacks.

I would note that the Black unemployment tracks at twice or worse even in times of very low unemployment. That would tend to suggest it is inherent in the system rather than driven by the minimum wage.
Fixed it for you.
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Old 12-02-2014, 03:11 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Your theory is popular only among a narrow range of economists such as Sowell and Williams. That would of course lead to a view that the theory is a partisan one with strong support only on the far right. Even such sources as the some what conservative WSJ are much more careful about the impact using low skilled wage earners as the harmed group rather than Blacks.

I would note that the Black unemployment tracks at twice or worse even in times of very low unemployment. That would tend to suggest it is inherent in the system rather than driven by the minimum wage.
You theory is weak sauce at best. You admit yourself that at best it only "tends" to "suggest" what you'd like it to suggest. Meanwhile, there is an actual cause & effect that is tangible when looking at the implementation of the Minimum Wage & the immediate drop off in African American employment rates. African Americans worked at the same rate as Whites through terrible racism & Jim Crow laws, yet the bottom fell out of the employment rates when the Minimum Wage was passed & you don't see the correlation? Really?

Also, do you acknowledge that the Minimum Wage was created by racists to keep poor minority's out of the workforce? Passed in Canada to keep the Japanese & Chinese workers from competing for White jobs in the labor industry. Passed in Australia to keep Chinese & Aborigine's from competing for White railroad jobs. Passed in South Africa by the Boers under Apartheid to keep Blacks from getting Union work & even introduced in the United States after the Civil War to stop low priced Black labor from taking construction work from White union workers in the North. Can we agree on that? One doesn't have to be a racist to support it today in 2014, but one must acknowledge that it has been historically introduced by racists to freeze poor minority's out of the work force.
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Old 12-02-2014, 03:44 PM
 
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You theory is weak sauce at best. You admit yourself that at best it only "tends" to "suggest" what you'd like it to suggest. Meanwhile, there is an actual cause & effect that is tangible when looking at the implementation of the Minimum Wage & the immediate drop off in African American employment rates. African Americans worked at the same rate as Whites through terrible racism & Jim Crow laws, yet the bottom fell out of the employment rates when the Minimum Wage was passed & you don't see the correlation? Really?

Also, do you acknowledge that the Minimum Wage was created by racists to keep poor minority's out of the workforce? Passed in Canada to keep the Japanese & Chinese workers from competing for White jobs in the labor industry. Passed in Australia to keep Chinese & Aborigine's from competing for White railroad jobs. Passed in South Africa by the Boers under Apartheid to keep Blacks from getting Union work & even introduced in the United States after the Civil War to stop low priced Black labor from taking construction work from White union workers in the North. Can we agree on that? One doesn't have to be a racist to support it today in 2014, but one must acknowledge that it has been historically introduced by racists to freeze poor minority's out of the work force.
Sorry but a quick review of the roots of minimum wage laws does not support your views. In both the US and Canada initial minimum wage laws were directed at females and children.

I see no particular reason why you think Jim Crow laws would do anything but improve unemployment rates. Certainly tend to hold down wages and thereby increase employment.
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Old 12-02-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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Fixed it for you.
Nonsense. The gentlemen are famous for their radical right wing views not their skin color.
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Old 12-02-2014, 07:50 PM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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Indirectly, unemployment is killing young black men.

With a black high school graduation rate in this country of around 68% compared to Hispanic at 76%, white at 85%, and Asian at 93%* and an unemployment rate of 52% for young black male dropouts**, black crime proliferates.

*Public High School Graduation Rates
(Last Updated: May 2014)
National Center for Education Statistics

**MAP & DATA RESOURCES
Who is most unemployed?
Map & Data Resources | By Mike Alberti
March 27, 2013
you mean thuggish black men
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Old 12-02-2014, 10:30 PM
 
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Maybe.

I am staring to think some black men are really lazy.

If they are not blaming white people,they blame black women.

If high unemployment is the reason for the high crime,then how come black women(who have worse unemployment stats than black men) do not have the same high % crime rates?
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Old 12-02-2014, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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Maybe.

I am staring to think some black men are really lazy.

If they are not blaming white people,they blame black women.

If high unemployment is the reason for the high crime,then how come black women(who have worse unemployment stats than black men) do not have the same high % crime rates?
This is coming from a Black woman?
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