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Old 11-30-2014, 07:47 PM
 
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This isn't rocket science people. The root of gun violence is lack of economic opportunity. Poverty increases violence, period. If there were jobs for people in these neighborhoods, they wouldn't be resorting to crime.
The thug lifestyle starts way before they are old enough to look for jobs.
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Old 11-30-2014, 11:45 PM
 
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This isn't rocket science people. The root of gun violence is lack of economic opportunity. Poverty increases violence, period. If there were jobs for people in these neighborhoods, they wouldn't be resorting to crime.
Correct. Look at the mafia in the U.S., why did most of them turn to that, lack of opportunities economically to get out of the rut that they were in. In a lot of places it is that way, whether it is the Southside of Chicago, or Mogadishu, Somalia. The drug war also plays a role, by providing a huge very profitable sector in the underground economy. There are some people who just enjoy being cruel to others, or are into a lifestyle revolving around violence and theft, but a lot of individuals who turn to crime are doing so due to a lack of opportunity.

There are several parts to why gun violence happens, some use gun violence for power and money, some family, loyalty, honor, and others because they enjoy it.
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Old 12-01-2014, 02:39 AM
 
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Honestly, the phasing out of the DARE program in schools. If the kids go on later to be a druggie, at least they know what and who is out there to stop them. It's a win/win and any kid who sat through the program at least has some respect for the Police.
Who knew all those thugs supporting Bundy were DARE dropouts. Learn something new every day.
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Old 12-01-2014, 06:56 AM
 
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You're right.
So let's burn down whatever businesses
were left and go from there.
You're blaming the victims.
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The root of one person committing violence against another is evil.
Money is the root of all evil, and capitalists are the root of all money. Eat the rich.
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The thug lifestyle starts way before they are old enough to look for jobs.
It starts when their parents are old enough to look for jobs. Society forces them to grow up in poor, hopeless, violent ghettos before they're old enough to think for themselves, and molds them into criminals. Society bears the weight of responsibility.

If you were sentenced to twenty years of psychopath camp, where you were trained extensively upon pain of violence to be a psychopath, and you came out of it a psychopath, do you suppose that you bear full responsibility for being a psychopath? Or do you suppose the people who sent you there might deserve some blame?
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Old 12-01-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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Utter lack of supervision, complete denial of reality, inability to take any responsibility....you know....like this lady....

Ferguson: Another lost son, another call for justice - CNN.com
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Old 12-01-2014, 07:17 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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Default What is the root of all of gun violence? Lack of male Parenting.

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The only common denominator in gun violence is guns.
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Yeah, that would be true.
Not that it has much to do with guns.
The only common denominator in hammer violence is hammers.
Violence will find a way.
The common denominator is violence. Cars kill more people than guns. Ted Kennedy has killed more people with his car than over a hundred of my acquaintances have in my lifetime (63 years).
Guns are a tool, an end to a means, they just make it easier some of the time.

Grandparents and Female parents have a real difficulty disciplining male children. Boys need discipline to become good men. Lack of enough fathers is the main cause. Boys are going to find someone to follow, if all there is are gang-bangers , that's what he will follow. As a long time youth coach, I can say that boys without fathers involved in their lives have less discipline and are much harder to coach.
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Old 12-01-2014, 07:19 AM
 
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The stresses of poverty have a huge impact on crime, on marriages, on child psychology... blaming it on the parents is thinking small. Oppressors throughout history have justified their oppression by blaming the status of the oppressed on breeding, bad parenting, inferior culture, lack of willpower, and so on... but the fault always lies on the oppressors.
Bingo. Well said.
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Old 12-01-2014, 07:19 AM
 
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Money is the root of all evil, and capitalists are the root of all money. Eat the rich.
You mean the rich like Oprah that came up from nothing or the rich like Michael Jordan that came up from not much or the rich like my friends dad that worked 5+ decades farming and accumulated land etc. while farms collapsed throughout the 80's and is now probably worth 15million as land prices skyrocketed?

Or are you just talking trust-fund babies like Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie, Elvis' daughter etc?
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Old 12-01-2014, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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It starts and ends in the home, but there's more. Years ago the church provided guidance, teachers had authority, law enforcement was respected, you knew who your neighbors were, fathers were in the home. All of those unpinnings provided a foundation for people to work and live under.

Now fathers are absent, fewer go to church, teachers have little authority, cops are disrespected and progressively hamstrung, you don't know who your neighbors are. What foundation do kids have? What can they believe in? What rules do they need to follow and who guides them successfully from childhood through to adulthood? Who teaches them values, morals, ethics, respect, self-respect, the rules of engagement when it comes to learning how to become contributing, valued members of society? Who is there to back them up when they mess up and direct them as to how to make better choices? Who teaches them right and wrong? Who teaches them the value of an education and hard work?

All of these kids are born as blank slates. They all are ready for the world to guide them into moral personhood. If there is nobody there - no structures in place - no underpinnings that they can count on - what do we THINK is going to happen?
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The three pillars of society...family, religion and school.

In each of them the government is taking over as a replacement.
As the foundation for society continues to crumble just look at your government as the reason why.
Governments always want total control and they are well on their way to success.
Very well said both of you. The fact that people want the government to be their parent is repulsive. Why on earth would you want something as morally bankrupt as the government acting as a parent?
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Old 12-01-2014, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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The three pillars of society...family, religion and school.

In each of them the government is taking over as a replacement.
As the foundation for society continues to crumble just look at your government as the reason why.
Governments always want total control and they are well on their way to success.
Nobody ones to hear that anymore.(Even if it is true) It is considered backward, reactionary, and just plain uncool.
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