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Originally Posted by pghquest
Which says more about you than it ever could say about him..
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Indeed; bad things happening to innocent people justifies attacking* them! There's some foolproof "reasoning"
. If this guy being hit by a drunk driver, who wasn't even caught while the police were too busy molesting the innocent, proves that they are worth doing, what about the millions of victims that were not hit by a drunk driver? What do they prove? Using the same standard, don't they prove that they're
not worth doing? Noticing the former but ignoring the latter speaks volumes about how you regard your fellow man - frankly, as bipedal animals to be used and disposed of as your proxies in the state see fit rather than full-fledged persons and beings like and equal to yourselves and your proxies in the state. What I find really amusing is how many of these same people harp on empathy, when they should be searching their own souls.
*And yes, it is an attack. If I blocked the road and forced you to pull over I would already be guilty of blocking traffic and false arrest, and if I forced you to blow into a breathalyzer (or, heaven forbid,
take your blood) I would be guilty of assaulting and/or threatening you. I don't see why the rules or law should change in that situation just because I had a badge or did law enforcement full-time. State-sponsored crime is still crime, otherwise there is no law.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Since the courts ruled them legal, you are merely offering your personal opinion on the matter. The fact that he was actually hit by a drunk driver proved they are worth doing.
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The courts also ruled slavery legal everywhere in the country in
Dred Scott vs. Sanford, and since the law is what the courts say it is that word is final. Slavery is the law of the land and no longer open for debate; abolition activists are merely offering their personal opinions and have no legal ground to stand on. And forgive me if I laugh when
northerners' nullification is mentioned; abolitionists are so ignorant of the law they think "state's rights" trump national rights
. These people are so ignorant and selfish they are actually organizing militias; they have
a history of violence and are a danger to everyone, so I hope the federal government is watching them closely. The Fugitive Slave Act is for everyone's safety, and it is our legal and moral duty as citizens to help their owners bring the wayward slaves back where they belong; I even saw a report where one of these abolitionists' wife was raped by a male slave they were trying to "rescue". The fact that his wife was raped by a fugitive slave proves the Fugitive Slave Act is worth doing.
Seriously, I can easily picture that coming out of the mouths of these same people that advocate for the current police state if they around in the 1850's. It would be unfair to presume any of them would support slavery, but I would say the same reasoning and the same kind of minds are at work in both cases.
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
And if mandatory rectal exams saved one life,you'd advocate for those as well.
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Abolishing this police state will save a lot more than one life, and it's funny we never hear from them about that possibility. Indeed, abolishing the state entirely would save at least one life, but you'll notice they always call for less freedom, never more freedom. That speaks volumes about their true ideology*. I would also caution against exaggerating state terror activities to illustrate our points - after all, five years ago we asked "to you indefinite detention supporters, what if the state claimed the power to kill you?" and in short order the state-sponsored "anti-terrorist" murder machine started to form. Not that I think the two are related, but any exaggeration is frighteningly prone to becoming fact in the near future. Once you accept the dark side it will inevitably come to dominate you; this process is currently at work in American government, and has occurred many times throughout history with invariably negative results for human populations.
Perhaps the most dramatic instance of this process in all of Western history was Nazi racial policy, which went from being open enough to
sign agreements with Zionists to Auschwitz and Buchenwald in just 9 years. That was something of an exception with the rapidity of their descent, the clearly evil manifestation of racism, and the totality of their defeat all within 12 years - most of these processes don't centrally involve racism, proceed slower, and are not totally defeated on the battlefield, but the fundamentals of the dark path remain the same in all of them.
*Perhaps their true motives as well, but as C.S. Lewis reminds us
tyranny doesn't require bad faith.
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