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Old 12-05-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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No we do not. There are a few hundred thousand who may qualify as refugees or who we cannot return without hearings...but mostly we just cut them loose. May cost the states on stuff like education but the feds don't even notice.
The states get educational funding from the feds.. yes they tax locally as well, but they get large chunks from the federal government.

larger schools, need new constructions, more teachers, subsidized lunches and more..
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Old 12-05-2014, 03:01 PM
 
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The states get educational funding from the feds.. yes they tax locally as well, but they get large chunks from the federal government.

larger schools, need new constructions, more teachers, subsidized lunches and more..
Not substantial amounts. K-12 is pretty much universally a local tax and is offset by taxes paid by the illegals. If anything the Feds make money off the illegals. Overall it is close to break even.
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Old 12-05-2014, 04:35 PM
 
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Perhaps this would explain it:

On Monday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pushed at Boehner’s insistence that he will obey by the “Hastert rule,” which requires a majority of the Republican caucus support any legislation before it moves to the floor.

Read more: John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill - Ginger Gibson - POLITICO.com

Or this:

House Republicans won't vote on 'massive' Senate immigration bill, to pursue smaller measures | Fox News
Yes, it explains it very well. And it's exactly as I stated earlier in this thread. Boehner won't bring the bill to the floor because he knows it would pass, but it would pass with the help of the Democrats, and God knows we can't have that. Because for all their whining about Democrats not working with them, Republicans don't really want bipartisanship.

The GOP also does NOT want to be on record on anything having to do with immigration. But they sure do want to ***** and moan about immigration. Just don't expect them to ever to anything BUT ***** and moan. You know what they say, stick to what you're good at, and they certainly excel in that, but not much else.

In the meantime, all that crap about how the other side won't work with them is just that, a load of crap. And this pretty much proves the point.

House Republicans are like petulant children. And God help the country, these petulant children are about to take control of both houses of Congress.
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Old 12-05-2014, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Not our problem. If here illegally they all need to go back to their homelands. What would be cruel is allowing them to remain here because it negatively impacts our own citizens. BS that they can't speak the language. How do you think they communicated with their parents at home? Doesn't matter what age they are if here illegally go home.
How do you address the 12M that are already here, theyare not just going to load them up and send them home. There are those from both parties that want them here for different reasons but the GOP posturing and pandering really grates on the nerves. Immigration peaked in 2008 and has actually declined yet we have states calling out the national guard.

Very disingenuous to state at this time that we aren't enforcing the laws, if it was that simple it would have already been done. The US is overwhelmed by immigrants as have other countries, it is not a simple case of enforcing the law.
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Old 12-05-2014, 05:18 PM
 
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Yes, it explains it very well. And it's exactly as I stated earlier in this thread. Boehner won't bring the bill to the floor because he knows it would pass, but it would pass with the help of the Democrats, and God knows we can't have that. Because for all their whining about Democrats not working with them, Republicans don't really want bipartisanship.

The GOP also does NOT want to be on record on anything having to do with immigration. But they sure do want to ***** and moan about immigration. Just don't expect them to ever to anything BUT ***** and moan. You know what they say, stick to what you're good at, and they certainly excel in that, but not much else.

In the meantime, all that crap about how the other side won't work with them is just that, a load of crap. And this pretty much proves the point.

House Republicans are like petulant children. And God help the country, these petulant children are about to take control of both houses of Congress.
Nonsense. The House was and still is controlled by the Republicans so no it wouldn't pass. It has nothing to do with not wanting to work with the Democrats but objection to what was in the bill and desiring a piece meal approach that puts border security first.

They don't want anything to do with "immigration"? Um no, they don't want anything to do with amnestying millions of illegal aliens. So yes they to do complain about illegal immigration. The Democrats are just as guilty of not wanting to work with the Republicans. Who do you think you are kidding? Funny that as you admitted that the Senate bill was a bi-partisan one so how can you make the claim that they don't want to work with the Democrats? There is no need for the House Republicans to work with the Democrats on this issue as it is all about amnesty. So it is being childish to not desire that? IMO, it is being an anti-American traitor to desire amnesty which will be a detriment to our own citizens.
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Old 12-05-2014, 05:24 PM
 
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How do you address the 12M that are already here, theyare not just going to load them up and send them home. There are those from both parties that want them here for different reasons but the GOP posturing and pandering really grates on the nerves. Immigration peaked in 2008 and has actually declined yet we have states calling out the national guard.

Very disingenuous to state at this time that we aren't enforcing the laws, if it was that simple it would have already been done. The US is overwhelmed by immigrants as have other countries, it is not a simple case of enforcing the law.
How many times do I have to repeat this to you before you get it? Remove the incentives for them to remain here and they will self-deport and yet you keep claiming that the desire is mass deportations.

No, illegal immigration hasn't declined. In fact, just this past year thousands of Central Americans crashed our borders because of Obama's promise of amnesty. How is giving millions a stay of deportation enforcing our immigration laws? By the way, illegal aliens aren't "immigrants" so please refer to them as to what they truly are.
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Old 12-05-2014, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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How many times do I have to repeat this to you before you get it? Remove the incentives for them to remain here and they will self-deport and yet you keep claiming that the desire is mass deportations.

No, illegal immigration hasn't declined. In fact, just this past year thousands of Central Americans crashed our borders because of Obama's promise of amnesty. How is giving millions a stay of deportation enforcing our immigration laws? By the way, illegal aliens aren't "immigrants" so please refer to them as to what they truly are.
So specifically where has the department of immigration been negligent relative to businesses, where exactly have their investigations fallen short.


Yes there was a wave of immigrants the last year but it peaked in 2008, basically the same laws are in place and enforcement has increased along with deportations.

Immigration has decreased since 2008.
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Old 12-05-2014, 06:45 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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How many times do I have to repeat this to you before you get it? Remove the incentives for them to remain here and they will self-deport and yet you keep claiming that the desire is mass deportations.

No, illegal immigration hasn't declined. In fact, just this past year thousands of Central Americans crashed our borders because of Obama's promise of amnesty. How is giving millions a stay of deportation enforcing our immigration laws? By the way, illegal aliens aren't "immigrants" so please refer to them as to what they truly are.
The incentive is jobs in America.....

When have we truly enforced our immigration laws in the past several decades? And how long has the far right complained about it?
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Old 12-05-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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So specifically where has the department of immigration been negligent relative to businesses, where exactly have their investigations fallen short.


Yes there was a wave of immigrants the last year but it peaked in 2008, basically the same laws are in place and enforcement has increased along with deportations.

Immigration has decreased since 2008.
Where did I say that ICE or Homeland Security has been negligent relative to businesses or that their investigations have fallen short? I don't even have any idea what you are talking about.

Wrong, illegal immigration attempts are the same and many have succeeded in violating our borders just as in the past. Please provide a link about your 2008 claim. Deportations have not increased. The only ones being deported are "convicted" criminals. Obama has instructed Homeland Security not to deport any other illegal aliens. You're way behind in the news, aren't you?
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Old 12-06-2014, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Where did I say that ICE or Homeland Security has been negligent relative to businesses or that their investigations have fallen short? I don't even have any idea what you are talking about.

Wrong, illegal immigration attempts are the same and many have succeeded in violating our borders just as in the past. Please provide a link about your 2008 claim. Deportations have not increased. The only ones being deported are "convicted" criminals. Obama has instructed Homeland Security not to deport any other illegal aliens. You're way behind in the news, aren't you?
Wrong again, there were record deportations in 2012 & 2013, they set new records each year since 2002. They deport non criminals, so what is deserving of correction specifically.

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The Obama administration deported a record 438,421 unauthorized immigrants in
fiscal year 2013, continuing a streak of stepped up enforcement that has
resulted in more than 2 million deportations since Obama took office, newly released Department of Homeland Security data show.

President Obama today is scheduled to address members of the Congressional
Hispanic Caucus, a group that has recently criticized the president on immigration.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/02/u-s-deportations-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/
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