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Actually, congress and the president have been going back and forth on this for several years. There's a lot of pressure from business and immigration interest groups to take action. Obama finally just did what is in his power to do, because congress, at this point, is simply not going to do anything.
If you're interested in this issue, I'm surprised you don't know this.
From several statements that I have read, the House has passed a variety of bills that got stalled in the senate. The supposition being that Reid knew they would not fit with what the president wanted to do. Congress has done something, just not what this president wanted them to do. So he set an arbitrary deadline for a lame duck congress to act then gave them or the new congress any time to comply.
This particular EO I feel is invalid because of this.
But he is the chief executive, and he must communicate his orders to administrative agencies *somehow*, unless you think ESP is a good mode for doing that. EOs are one of the ways open to him. And, as I noted above, he does have powers that do not require congress.
Not esp, just using his bully pulpit to educate the citizenry what he plans to do and build support for it.
This he did not even attempt.
As for his powers that do not require congress, making new laws is not one of them, for any president.
Or enforcement of existing laws to see how that works before changing them by declaration.
If you wish to stay on EOs don't get hooked into your views on the Illegal Immigration one.
He has changed no laws. That is the nature of an EO.
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From several statements that I have read, the House has passed a variety of bills that got stalled in the senate. The supposition being that Reid knew they would not fit with what the president wanted to do. Congress has done something, just not what this president wanted them to do. So he set an arbitrary deadline for a lame duck congress to act then gave them or the new congress any time to comply.
This particular EO I feel is invalid because of this.
There has been no comprehensive Immigration law out of the house. There have been small pieces dealing with things like border security. There has been a comprehensive and bipartisan bill out of the Senate but the House won't vote on it. The reason for the lack of a vote is clear...it would pass.
These are all laws that did not survive the process and therefore have no impact on an EO.
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Not esp, just using his bully pulpit to educate the citizenry what he plans to do and build support for it.
This he did not even attempt.
As for his powers that do not require congress, making new laws is not one of them, for any president.
Actually at least part of the time the population has favored legal residence or amnesty for the illegal immigrants....see
In this case its a order to agency that the president controls to not enforce a law. Its often used for other purposes historically where there is little time or the effect of not doing so. Reagan used it in this case with difference being he had support lined for passing a permanent bill which he did. That prevented some from being effected until passed.
In this case its a order to agency that the president controls to not enforce a law. Its often used for other purposes historically where there is little time or the effect of not doing so. Reagan used it in this case with difference being he had support lined for passing a permanent bill which he did. That prevented some from being effected until passed.
Actually it is not. It is an order for the prioritization of the enforcement of the law. The law is quite unenforceable fully on grounds of resources alone. He has to sort something less than a half million out of over 10 million. So he selects 4.5 million that he will leave alone as the lesser problem.
In this case its a order to agency that the president controls to not enforce a law. Its often used for other purposes historically where there is little time or the effect of not doing so. Reagan used it in this case with difference being he had support lined for passing a permanent bill which he did. That prevented some from being effected until passed.
No, it is not enforcing laws, but doing what Obama claims every other law enforcement agency in the USA does; using discretion to prosecute/execute.
If you've ever gotten out of a traffic ticket because the LE *decided* to let you go, that is use of discretion. When a district attorney decides to down charge or not take up a case (forever or deferred for the time being), that is discretion.
Obama is doing this on a vast scale. He cannot grant these persons citizenship or legal status, however again he is betting that by keeping them here for long periods of time future administrations and or Congress won't have the balls to reverse the decision.
Obama is doing this on a vast scale. He cannot grant these persons citizenship or legal status, however again he is betting that by keeping them here for long periods of time future administrations and or Congress won't have the balls to reverse the decision.
Maybe that is his intent. I am inclined to agree with you though that even an R-dominated congress will not swing a heavy hammer, but will continue to nibble around the edges. Too many heavy hitters have an interest in keeping a substantial pool of workers who work cheap and won't complain.
Another possible reasons for his action is budgetary - when you don't have the money to enforce the law fully, you choose how to spend the dollars you have.
Maybe that is his intent. I am inclined to agree with you though that even an R-dominated congress will not swing a heavy hammer, but will continue to nibble around the edges. Too many heavy hitters have an interest in keeping a substantial pool of workers who work cheap and won't complain.
Another possible reasons for his action is budgetary - when you don't have the money to enforce the law fully, you choose how to spend the dollars you have.
There are other areas where he could cut the budget. Why did he choose this one by adding nearly 5 million illegal aliens to our workforce with such job scarcity? Why would he choose to keep them employed with so many Americans out of work? There should never be a dollar limit on enforcing our laws.
There are other areas where he could cut the budget. Why did he choose this one by adding nearly 5 million illegal aliens to our workforce with such job scarcity? Why would he choose to keep them employed with so many Americans out of work? There should never be a dollar limit on enforcing our laws.
He is not cutting the budget. He would have to move billions which is almost certainly illegal without congressional approval.
If you wish to stay on EOs don't get hooked into your views on the Illegal Immigration one.
He has changed no laws. That is the nature of an EO.
He has ordered by EO, his DOJ, HLS and the Border Patrol, not to follow the laws that are law. Pretty sure that is changing the law, that congress passed in 1986 and has yet to be changed constitutionally.
He has denied the laws that keep our nation sovereign and safe. The two jobs we have a federal government for in the first place.
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