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Some thoughts....random and in no particular order...
Mr. Garner would be alive if he didnt resist arrest.
Mr. Garner would not have been resisting arrest if the government (not the cops) didnt make cigs so expenisive in NY.
No one should die over selling a single cig...
Pantaleo didnt kill Mr. Garner. He didnt use a choke hold...
Mr Garners death may very well have been a result of ALL of the police on the scene not taking action once he was on the ground and unresponsive. (neglect after being subdued).
Now to answer the general question.
It really depends on what "disobeying an agent of the state looks like.
If a person refuses to cooperate with a police officer in the line of duty, and that person is then arrested, the police should take care of things in this order:
1. Their own protection. NO cop ought to die because some person decides they dont want to be arrested.
2. the innocent people that are in close proxemity to the situation.
3. The person being arrested.
You dont shoot someone for doing what Garner did. but you do have to arrest him and you do have to control him. BUT once subdued, you take care to make sure he is ok. In this case, the police did right to arrest (only because they are forced to...even though the laws that are in play are really really stupid uber-progressive-idiotic-government-overreach...
The Brown case in Fergusson I understand not prosecuting the officer over insufficient evidence,
But in the Garner case this is outrageous and Apalling this officer got away with murder and choking ...it's disgusting. Where is Obama? Why is he hiding behind curtains?
The underlying thought I have is this: if you're black, you're less likely to be injured, killed, or held for some indefinite amount of time for bogus charges by the hands of the police in some corrupt ass third-world country than you are in the land-o-free USA.
Even in LatAm or pretty much all of Africa it's better for a Black dude if dealing with the cops? IMHO you're really reaching on that.
Well hopefully his death causes changing to a law. It seems idiotic for police to attack someone who is commuting a harmless crime. Though that tends to be how Staten Island police act, which is where NYC sends their bad cops.
Let's do some critical thinking. They did not attack him for the crime of selling cigarettes. They tried to discuss it with him. When he resisted the arrest, they had to resort to force to accomplish what they were mandated to do. Any honest accounting of the situation would reveal that they didn't jump him for selling cigarettes. His protests that it had happened before reveal that this was not the case. There are things to be learned from this case, but let's learn them on an honest accounting of what occurred.
Well hopefully his death causes changing to a law. It seems idiotic for police to attack someone who is commuting a harmless crime. Though that tends to be how Staten Island police act, which is where NYC sends their bad cops.
I have no problem with that at all. I actually agree with you on that. This is a situation where the local government is real upset about not getting their piece of the action. There does need to be some regulation, but NYC seems to be overboard on this, and the NYPD is left to enforce what the legislature and governor decide. The officer in question does not have the same freedom we seem to associate these days with the executive of deciding not to enforce laws he doesn't like. The problem here lies with the legislature and the Governor. The police, the executive branch, have to enforce what's given to them. If you want to complain about the law, justifiably so in my opinion, the enforcement branch is not the place to go.
And it was a headlock, not a chokehold. To be a chokehold, there must be constant pressure on the person’s neck, compressing his windpipe or cutting off the flow of blood to the carotid artery, rendering him unconscious.
Just because he didn't take it to the level of unconsciousness doesn't mean it wasn't a chokehold. The Medical Examiner said he died from a compression of his neck.
Not so according to the definition of a choke hold. And he did complain that he couldn't breath yet the cop didn't let up.
choke hold noun
: a method of holding someone by putting your arm around the person's neck with enough pressure to make breathing difficult or impossible
If you are innocent then you will have a day in court. You will also be alive.
The details of etiquette with the police are a moot point. However, this is the question. Was it necessary to choke to death someone who was not assaulting the police?
The details of etiquette with the police are a moot point. However, this is the question. Was it necessary to choke to death someone who was not assaulting the police?
It was excessive force By the officers. However according to Prominent medical examiners that interpreted the ME report on CNN, there was no damage to the larynx so he was not choked to death. Evidence showed the pressure was put on the corroded and jugular arteries. His breathing was not obstructed from the choke. However once on the ground his lungs were compressed by the multiple officers putting their weight on him. Combined with his bmi, this is what killed him. These examiners suggest that the wrong officer was investigated, or at least the other officers should have been investigated as well. The other officers were given immunity for their grand jury testimony. Had the other officers been investigated, there may have been an indictment.
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