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Old 12-08-2014, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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Shouldn't China's rising GDP be a good thing? Shouldn't we want more resources/GDP for everyone, not just Americans? Wouldn't rising GDP there spawn more demand for American exports? Ranking is pointless, its about who is doing good in absolute measures, not who is better than each other.
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:57 AM
 
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In another thread I ask who negotiates these bad deals for us ? We all heard about how NAFTA was going to do so much for us and how that turned out.
Now they are trying to do a deal with China and other asian countries as well, as Europe. If we get the same sweet deal we will really know what its like to be unemployed.
You must be referring to the upcoming Pacific Rim Trade agreement =
Trans-Pacific Partnership Free Trade Agreement (TPP)
Which makes absolutely no sense to me as it seems more jobs will be lost to overseas interests.
I'm not hearing much squawking from big money on this one which can only mean big money will probably make money on the deal and the American middle class will be the losers as usual.
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Old 12-09-2014, 07:22 AM
 
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You must be referring to the upcoming Pacific Rim Trade agreement =
Trans-Pacific Partnership Free Trade Agreement (TPP)
Which makes absolutely no sense to me as it seems more jobs will be lost to overseas interests.
I'm not hearing much squawking from big money on this one which can only mean big money will probably make money on the deal and the American middle class will be the losers as usual.
Good point !!! The negotiations are done in secret and once a deal is reached congress has 60 days to look at it, but can't amend it. Then can only vote yes or no, if under Fast Track or the PC term FTA which the president is asking for.

The reason we don't hear from them is because 600 corporations have advisors who are involved in creating the framework and rules by which, when/if passed we will be subject too. This empowers foreign corporations to attack domestic health and environmental policies, enabled pharmaceutical firms to raise medicine prices, and equipped banks with a tool to roll back financial regulation. Large corporations skirt Congress and the public to rewrite policies that affect our daily lives. Interestingly enough that of the 29 chapters so far only five actually deal with trade and the rest with policy agreements.
If the domestic laws we have passed are in conflict with what is in the treaty, it is the agreement of the treaty that will be enforced and state and federal laws/ policy unenforceable. Thus we are no longer a sovereign nation but come under the WTO and disputes are not decided by our courts. And if/when we lose under these world courts they can raid the US treasury ( tax payers ) for millions in fines and penalties.

Welcome to globalization and the NWO. It stops being a theory when it becomes a fact. But the treaty is not final or given to congressional approval yet, and might not be with this president. There is agreement and disagreement by both political parties on various aspects of the process. The next president will likely ask for this power also if Obama is denied.
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Shouldn't China's rising GDP be a good thing? Shouldn't we want more resources/GDP for everyone, not just Americans? Wouldn't rising GDP there spawn more demand for American exports? Ranking is pointless, its about who is doing good in absolute measures, not who is better than each other.
Resources aren't unlimited. The only way the Asia and Africa can become developed is if the Earth supply of resource increase and there is no way the West is going to give up its life style for Africa and Asia.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Resources aren't unlimited. The only way the Asia and Africa can become developed is if the Earth supply of resource increase and there is no way the West is going to give up its life style for Africa and Asia.
Oh but it is happening as we speak. And we're kicking and screaming all the way down this decline.

Globalization forecast this. As third world nations rise, first world nations will decline until there is a norm.
All part of the long term NWO strategy which many think is tin foil.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:20 AM
 
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Oh but it is happening as we speak. And we're kicking and screaming all the way down this decline.

Globalization forecast this. As third world nations rise, first world nations will decline until there is a norm.
All part of the long term NWO strategy which many think is tin foil.
Your correct and the tin foil is now on the other foot so to speak. That's why it is so important to recognize and understand propaganda. Conspiracy theory is just that, until it becomes a fact.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Very true.

President Nixon broke the ice with China and his trips to China were well publicized. He didn't do it so we could get better Chinese recipes for Kung Pao Chicken. Special interest show an amazing ability to implement a plan over many years. The government thinks long term is five years but it doesn't matter because the lobbyist will write and control the policy.
He did it because the Rockefellers had him and their errand boy Kissinger by the balls and had to do as they said!
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Old 12-09-2014, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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This news is important and it is not important at the same time.

Luxembourg’s economy is considerably smaller than that of India. Luxembourg has 400,000 people not 1.4 billion. Who is actually living better?

There are those who worry that economic size equates to political or even military power. And there’s something to that but again not much. For that sort of power depends upon how much you can tax off those people in order to pay for that military power. And clearly, the richer people are the more there is to tax them before you push them back down into subsistence again.

China's Now The World Number One Economy And It Doesn't Matter A Darn - Forbes

Shouldn't worry too much.
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Your correct and the tin foil is now on the other foot so to speak. That's why it is so important to recognize and understand propaganda. Conspiracy theory is just that, until it becomes a fact.
And by then it's too late to turn back.

"Offshoring manual labor jobs will free Americans to pursue higher paying skilled jobs" isn't said much anymore is it ?

Perot was right. And he was called crazy.
Ron Paul was right. And he was called crazy.

By the time it becomes mainstream and proven true then you can never retrace your steps and go back.

The conspiracy sites were 100% right about the USG spying on us is one example.
They were called paranoid tin foil hat nuts.
Snowden proved it true many years later.

And there's not a damn thing we can do about it now.
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Is there any doubt the Free Trade and related helped fuel the construction and remodeling boom prior to 2008? We had a good run and some of us did well to very well to outstanding depending on what you did.

Short sighted yes. But there it is.
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