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Old 12-04-2014, 06:54 PM
 
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Oh by the way, you whining and crying about people getting "subsidies" that arent, is even more laughable considering YOU are now getting a subsidy.. cough, welfare handouts...
Nope, I'm not whining about anything, I'm simply correcting your lies. If my subsidy is welfare, then so are the healthcare benefits of every single person receiving insurance through their employers.

Wow, you just called the majority of Americans welfare leeches.
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Old 12-04-2014, 06:57 PM
 
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Nope, I'm not whining about anything, I'm simply correcting your lies. If my subsidy is welfare, then so are the healthcare benefits of every single person receiving insurance through their employers.

Wow, you just called the majority of Americans welfare leeches.
Bull ****.. An employer who gets a tax write off is NOT a handout because if the company doesnt make a profit the expenses are not reinbursed.

A subsidy is REINBURSEMENT.. Its a tax CREDIT
An employer expense is NOT reinbursed, it a DEDUCTION

All you did was prove how IGNORANT you are. Some other ignorant fool called it a subsidy and you run with it, and dont mind embarassing yourself by proving you dont know the difference..
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Old 12-04-2014, 07:04 PM
 
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Bull ****.. An employer who gets a tax write off is NOT a handout because if the company doesnt make a profit the expenses are not reinbursed.

A subsidy is REINBURSEMENT.. Its a tax CREDIT

All you did was prove how IGNORANT you are. Some other ignorant fool called it a subsidy and you run with it, and dont mind embarassing yourself by proving you dont know the difference..
No, I don't listen to ignorant fools, which is why I don't take your word for anything over experts in the field.

It really burns you to be proven wrong, doesn't it?

Thanks for the laugh. I'm off to do better things.
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Old 12-04-2014, 07:09 PM
 
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No, I don't listen to ignorant fools, which is why I don't take your word for anything over experts in the field.

It really burns you to be proven wrong, doesn't it?

Thanks for the laugh. I'm off to do better things.
How did you prove me wrong? By posting some link which cites an employer expense as a credit when in reality its a deduction?

For the life of me I'm dumfounded on how an "independent contractor", who would have lots of business expenses to write off, wouldnt understand the difference between a credit and a deduction.

I tell you what, if you ever decide to come back to the thread, maybe you can cite for me how much taxpayer money was PAID to businesses to insure their employees. You know, those employers that would be out of business but because taxpayers hand money to them, they are able to survive..

I dont mean those who claimed deductions and thus dont pay taxes on the expense, because thats no dam different than me writing off product expenses as a cost or rent, or utilities. I want to hear about how the government can actually GIVE ME money, to insure my employees..
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Eastern UP of Michigan
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No it doesnt.. Reinbursement rates are preestablished, illregardless of how many patients pay..

A procedure with a reinbursement of $100, gets the hospital $100, no matter if the number of paying patients is 99%, or 2%.. The only difference is the 2% hospital wont be around long..
I was referring to those unpaid bills, by those either without insurance or the financial ability to pay. At some point those unpaid expenses get passed on. So if you have 50 procedures paid at an insurance rate and another 15 not paid at all then their margin is compressed. Somebody, somewhere will be making up that difference.

Or are these Hospitals, Doctors etc., bulls*****ing us about the cost problem? Wouldn't that be extortion or something.
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:12 PM
 
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I was referring to those unpaid bills, by those either without insurance or the financial ability to pay. At some point those unpaid expenses get passed on. So if you have 50 procedures paid at an insurance rate and another 15 not paid at all then their margin is compressed. Somebody, somewhere will be making up that difference.

Or are these Hospitals, Doctors etc., bulls*****ing us about the cost problem? Wouldn't that be extortion or something.
it does not get passed onto those with insurance since insurance reinbursement rates are the same as government reinbursement rates.

yes, their margins are less but the only people left to pass the cost onto is the cash payers.
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:19 PM
 
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Somebody making 20K is probably still in college or early 20's and won't need to meet the deductible anyway.

What's your chief complaint here public? That the ACA didn't go far enough? That people have too many choices?

Plenty of 50-year-olds make $20K.
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:25 PM
 
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Your argument would be more compelling if it wasn't an obvious-- and researchable-- lie.

For the 55th time.. Someone making zero would be on medicaid. They would most certainly NOT be paying $182 per month.

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Not in states that didn't expand it to include able-bodied childless adults of income $0.
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:31 PM
 
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Texas has medicaid.

Texas Medicaiid Program

Before Obamacarae, states did not have to extend Madicaid coverage to include able-bodied childless adults. After Obamacare, states did not have to expand Medicaid to include able-bodied adults.
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Old 12-05-2014, 06:41 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Its on his website...healthcare.gov

https://www.healthcare.gov/see-plans...rousel-results
I looked at the link. It shows the costs for different plans, but it does not show what they plugged in as information.

I see in the web address that the categories 'smoker', 'pregnant', and something else were used to come up with the estimated cost.

Without knowing what criteria was used to come up with the final cost, the link above is worthless.
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