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This is an interesting read. Its about the Hobby Lobby decision, but the writer gets into this exact question of how Liberals and Conservatives process these concepts.
The right wants to take care of themselves the left wants someone to take care of them. Pretty simple really.
No no. Right wingers think the purpose of government is to be their mommy and keep them from having to deal with anything that upsets them, or makes them sad. The way right-wingers want their government to force women to bear children against their will proves this. The way right-wingers wave a bible around and cry about having to obey laws that upset them proves this. You can whine and cry about liberals if you want, but it won't change reality, and reality is that right-wingers want government to play the role of their mommy.
No no. Right wingers think the purpose of government is to be their mommy and keep them from having to deal with anything that upsets them, or makes them sad. The way right-wingers want their government to force women to bear children against their will proves this. The way right-wingers wave a bible around and cry about having to obey laws that upset them proves this. You can whine and cry about liberals if you want, but it won't change reality, and reality is that right-wingers want government to play the role of their mommy.
If I were to engage in the silliness of this thread, probably what I would do is point out the above...
so.... liberals think conservatives want government to be their mommy to force people they dont know to have children they dont know to help them not think about things they dont know about...
now there is some silly logic...
the real answer is that liberals and conservatives process the concept of morality differently. This is not an attempt to suggest one group is right and the other is wrong. but according to at least one social scientist (a liberal one i might add) this is the core of the difference.
see my link in the post above. its really a facinating read... the link is to a conservative writing about hobby lobby. there is an argument about that being made. ignor that and focus on the work concerning how Cons and Libs process moraltiy. really interesting and not biased.
we really do process certain concepts differently.
Once again, another flawed poll, one that assumes there IS a difference.
In my observation, in terms of attitude and behaviour, there is no difference between the hard core left and the hard core right. Both resort to name calling when they cannot argue on merit, for one thing. Both vehemently hate anyone they identify as a member of the other side. Both appear to have a laundry list of dogma points, and if one does not subscribe to every single one of those points, then you are not a member of one of those sides.
So my reponse is they are both the same. Extremists of either persuasion are exactly the same.
Agree 100%. I noticed this during the W Bush administration. I was debating with left-wingers against the Iraq war, and we were in agreement. When the subject turned to illegal immigration - which I opposed - their attacks against me were indistinguishable from those hurled against right-wingers in debating Iraq. My way or the highway - from both extremes.
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Agree 100%. I noticed this during the W Bush administration. I was debating with left-wingers against the Iraq war, and we were in agreement. When the subject turned to illegal immigration - which I opposed - their attacks against me were indistinguishable from those hurled against right-wingers in debating Iraq. My way or the highway - from both extremes.
Touche' The vast majority of people have issues that are on both sides. This one side of the line or the other is crap. I'm on the side for woman's choice and equality for gays. That doesn't mean I want Amnesty for illegals, my tax money to go to Foreign wars or to multigenerational welfare mothers
Let's look at authoritarianism. By this, I mean appeals to authority in arguments; not actually exerting authority - legitimate or otherwise.
From the right:
"The Bible says..."
"The Constitution says..."
"The police say..."
I don't hear this "reasoning" from the left. An argument can be made that the left is socially libertarian and economically authoritarian, but again, I'm speaking about thought patterns and principles surrounding a worldview, not actual practices. If, in defending tax-and-spend policies, we heard cries of, "It's in the Bible," then the left would seem to hold the same type of authoritarian view, but we don't hear this. The arguments we hear from the left on such matters seem to line up with the OP's observation regarding humanism.
Right wing: worships the warefare state at the altar of corporatism.
Left wing: worships the welfare state at the altar of altruism.
They both want forced donations to support their goals, made possible through the mystics of the temple at the Federal Reserve and the high priests at the IRS.
Another note: The first choice, "Religion vs secularism" is a false dichotomy. There are many people who are both religious and secular. Secularism is the absence of religion from public life, not from one's personal life.
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