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Old 12-08-2014, 04:23 PM
 
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Nobody loses when they aren't born. Once they are born they have to grow up in poverty, around extremely high rates of violence, higher propensity to engage in criminal acts, and with the GOP calling them leeches of society.
If the tax payer is forced to pay feed and house them, .. people who depend on money someone else worked to earn...then yes, they are leeches.

If government (the tax payer) gives you say $300 and pays your rent, another $600. How many hours did someone else have to work to earn that money.
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Old 12-08-2014, 04:34 PM
 
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If the tax payer is forced to pay feed and house them, .. people who depend on money someone else worked to earn...then yes, they are leeches.

If government (the tax payer) gives you say $300 and pays your rent, another $600. How many hours did someone else have to work to earn that money.
So you agree that abortion is a social good.

Good, I'm glad that is settled.
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Old 12-08-2014, 04:48 PM
 
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He's sees the economic advantage of them not being born. He may not have said it straight out but anyone can read between those comments.

If he could just convince government not to give out welfare for babies born into poverty then I'll bet more will take the abortion route.
Apparently some posters are too blind to see.
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Old 12-08-2014, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Oh, for sure.

Abortion is and always has been available to affluent women. Legal or not, women with money could both afford to find a medical practitioner for the procedure, and were able to travel to wherever they needed.

It is poor women that have difficulty in obtaining abortions. And the laws and restrictions against abortion have an undue impact on the poor.

It is also the poor that are largely the victims in our society of criminal acts and violence.

By making abortion available to the poor, you reduce the need for welfare, you reduce the stresses that cause crime, you even make it possible for women in poverty to get out of poverty. And therefore you reduce the reliance on safety nets provided by and PAID FOR by society.

It has nothing to do with eugenics.

The study was a practical analysis, an exercise in logic. It's conclusions were supported by actual numbers and statistics. SCIENCE.

And yet again, we have right-wingers pretending that science is somehow immoral.
Show your numbers. The numbers from the CDC say that the majority are women in their 20s. That number includes white, black, and "other". Many of them were unmarried. How many of them do you think are "affluent"?

Here's my numbers from the CDC:

//www.city-data.com/forum/37566653-post28.html

Now, where's yours?
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Old 12-08-2014, 05:01 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Oh, for sure.

Abortion is and always has been available to affluent women. Legal or not, women with money could both afford to find a medical practitioner for the procedure, and were able to travel to wherever they needed.

It is poor women that have difficulty in obtaining abortions. And the laws and restrictions against abortion have an undue impact on the poor.

It is also the poor that are largely the victims in our society of criminal acts and violence.

By making abortion available to the poor, you reduce the need for welfare, you reduce the stresses that cause crime, you even make it possible for women in poverty to get out of poverty. And therefore you reduce the reliance on safety nets provided by and PAID FOR by society.

It has nothing to do with eugenics.

The study was a practical analysis, an exercise in logic. It's conclusions were supported by actual numbers and statistics. SCIENCE.

And yet again, we have right-wingers pretending that science is somehow immoral.
This is sick. Kill babies to reduce the need for welfare. Who are we? This is inhumane. It's barbaric. What makes this different from what ISIS does?
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Old 12-08-2014, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Houston
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If the tax payer is forced to pay feed and house them, .. people who depend on money someone else worked to earn...then yes, they are leeches.

If government (the tax payer) gives you say $300 and pays your rent, another $600. How many hours did someone else have to work to earn that money.
It is all being paid by the idle rich.
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Old 12-08-2014, 05:05 PM
 
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Show your numbers. The numbers from the CDC say that the majority are women in their 20s. That number includes white, black, and "other". Many of them were unmarried. How many of them do you think are "affluent"?

Here's my numbers from the CDC:

//www.city-data.com/forum/37566653-post28.html

Now, where's yours?
Changes in Abortion Rates Between 2000 and 2008 and Lifetime... : Obstetrics & Gynecology

Women with family incomes below the federal poverty level ($18,530 for a family of three) account for more than 40% of all abortions. They also have one of the country’s highest abortion rates (52 per 1,000 women). In contrast, higher-income women (with family incomes at or above 200% of the poverty line) have a rate of nine abortions per 1,000, which is about half the national rate.
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Old 12-08-2014, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Houston
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This is sick. Kill babies to reduce the need for welfare. Who are we? This is inhumane. It's barbaric. What makes this different from what ISIS does?
The fact is a lot of the little bastards need to die. We can further social welfare even more by allowing post-birth abortions.

Might be cheaper to just off the women instead.
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Old 12-08-2014, 05:06 PM
 
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This is sick. Kill babies to reduce the need for welfare. Who are we? This is inhumane. It's barbaric. What makes this different from what ISIS does?
Nobody is killing babies.
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Old 12-08-2014, 05:12 PM
 
Location: CO
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This is sick. Kill babies to reduce the need for welfare. Who are we? This is inhumane. It's barbaric. What makes this different from what ISIS does?
It's called a study. You know - where you look at data and present findings. Geeezzzz.....

Given all the outrage throughout this thread, you'd think no one actually looked at the source material.
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