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Old 12-11-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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This reminds me of how democrats rammed Obamacare down the throats of an unwilling American public.
Will you deny that happening as well as Obama not negotiating with congress before the last "shutdown"?
He wouldn't "negotiate" to de-fund the ACA. There wasn't an "negotiation" involved.

So all of you Conservatives, are you fine with the giveaways to Wall Street and the big banks in this bill? Isn't this exactly what the Tea Party was formed to fight against?
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:22 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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He wouldn't "negotiate" to de-fund the ACA. There wasn't an "negotiation" involved.

So all of you Conservatives, are you fine with the giveaways to Wall Street and the big banks in this bill? Isn't this exactly what the Tea Party was formed to fight against?

NOPE! But it just shows, if we keep electing progressives in both parties to compromise, not only the constitution away, but our individual sovereignty, too.
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:25 PM
 
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NOPE! But it just shows, if we keep electing progressives in both parties to compromise, not only the constitution away, but our individual sovereignty, too.
Tea Party Conservatives have it in their power RIGHT NOW to derail this bill in the House. Why don't they? Without them, it doesn't pass. Seems like they are all full of hot air when it actually comes time to act on what they claim they stand for.
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:26 PM
 
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If Pelosi "wins" and it doesn't pass, the Democrats lose, because they can't blame the Republicans who passed it, for shutting the government down this time.
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:29 PM
 
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He wouldn't "negotiate" to de-fund the ACA. There wasn't an "negotiation" involved.

So all of you Conservatives, are you fine with the giveaways to Wall Street and the big banks in this bill? Isn't this exactly what the Tea Party was formed to fight against?
The Tea Party is the only reason this bill hasn't passed.
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:30 PM
 
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If Pelosi "wins" and it doesn't pass, the Democrats lose, because they can't blame the Republicans who passed it, for shutting the government down this time.
If this bill passes and the banks go down again because all measures to rein them in have been removed, the ensuing crash and bank bailouts will be entirely on Republicans for being so incredibly short-sighted that they have already forgotten the financial meltdown of six years ago.
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:33 PM
 
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Gotta love Wall St. They're at their old greasy slime ball tactics and are trying to make tax payers responsible yet again for their gambling on derivatives blows up in their faces again. A last minute provision before a recess was exactly how they killed Glass Steagal which ended up tanking the economy in 2008, which we are still reeling from today.
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:33 PM
 
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Tea Party Conservatives have it in their power RIGHT NOW to derail this bill in the House. Why don't they? Without them, it doesn't pass. Seems like they are all full of hot air when it actually comes time to act on what they claim they stand for.

It is almost like both sides are amending the bill with favors and pork, to make it not pass, for some unknown sly reason.

Are they trying to make it so bad, that the tea party types, do vote no. and then both the progressive democrats and the progressive republicans can blame it on the tea party to make the public have a bad taste, that it was the tea party types that shutdown the government. All in an effort from the progressives in both parties to push the Conservatives out of Congress, so they can keep pushing the New World Order??????
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:51 PM
 
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Everyone keeps saying Rs aren't in the majority but in the House they very much are. So why not pass what they can pass and let the Senate know that's as good as it gets?
That goes two ways..

The Senate can send a budget to the House to sign, but wont. (and before someone says budgets need passed in the house first, no it doesnt. The last government shut down stopped when the Senate sent the House a budget bill, only tax increases have to originate in the House)
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Old 12-11-2014, 05:00 PM
 
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The Tea Party is the only reason this bill hasn't passed.
Only 17 of them. What about the rest of them who have signed onto it? Here's the Tea Party's big chance to prove what they claim to stand for.
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