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Old 12-13-2014, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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#1 Lois Lerner has already admitted that the sharing of over 1.1 Million documents of private tax payer data with the DOJ and FBI was “absolutely incorrect, insensitive and inappropriate.”

#2 Why are you ignoring the fact that the story has just suddenly shifted again. The story was that Lois Lerner had not contacted the DOJ until 2012. Now we know for a fact that she had contacted the DOJ in 2010. Are you willing to accept this as just another coincidence of an honest mistake -- all of these coincidences and honest mistakes point to a cover-up.
As to your point two, these emails show the DOJ initiating contact and being directed to Lois Lerner. Not the other way around as your point two implies. Nothing in this particular disclosure shows that anything improper occurred. Nor do the emails show why the DOJ was contacting the IRS.
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Old 12-13-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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Where in my post did I defend LL or anything the administration did? I asked a simple question if tax exempt organizations violated the law what should happen.
They should be denied or prosecuted but that is not the issue here.
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Old 12-13-2014, 10:24 AM
 
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As to your point two, these emails show the DOJ initiating contact and being directed to Lois Lerner. Not the other way around as your point two implies. Nothing in this particular disclosure shows that anything improper occurred. Nor do the emails show why the DOJ was contacting the IRS.
It's just another coincidence that supposedly their 1st contact between each other was in 2012 and not in 2010?

Yes, the DOJ is still withholding hundreds of documents, no wonder we don't know more details.

We do know it had to do with 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations - which is what the targeting was about.

We do know Lerner then sent a 1.1 Million page document on 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations private data.

We do know that it was supposedly innocently forgotten that this exchange happened.

And we do know that most of this info is still being withheld or dripped out and redacted.
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Old 12-13-2014, 10:25 AM
 
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They should indict her if they have evidence of a crime and since there is mistrust of the justice department they should have an independent prosecutor take over.
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Old 12-13-2014, 10:29 AM
 
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As to your point two, these emails show the DOJ initiating contact and being directed to Lois Lerner. Not the other way around as your point two implies. Nothing in this particular disclosure shows that anything improper occurred. Nor do the emails show why the DOJ was contacting the IRS.
It's even worse that the DOJ initiated the contact because it leads closer to DOJ being responsible for the whole illegal plan, rather than a few obscure IRS agents.

Getting investigatory info has been tough enough. Do you really think the agencies won't withhold the most damaging until the very end, if any is still recoverable.
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Old 12-13-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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It's just another coincidence that supposedly their 1st contact between each other was in 2012 and not in 2010?

Yes, the DOJ is still withholding hundreds of documents, no wonder we don't know more details.

We do know it had to do with 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations - which is what the targeting was about.

We do know Lerner then sent a 1.1 Million page document on 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations private data.

We do know that it was supposedly innocently forgotten that this exchange happened.

And we do know that most of this info is still being withheld or dripped out and redacted.
In your first line, I think you meant that the other way around.

As for the nature of the meeting, apparently this contact has been known about since earlier in the year and the Oversight Committee has interviewed people involved from the DOJ.

Testimony: In 2010, Justice Department Sought Lois Lerner

According to Mr. Pilger, the Justice Department convened a meeting with former IRS official Lois Lerner in October 2010 to discuss how the IRS could assist in the criminal enforcement of campaign-finance laws against politically active nonprofits.
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According to Mr. Pilger, Mr. Smith asked him to arrange a meeting in early October 2010 with the IRS about the “evolving legal landscape” of campaign-finance law following the Supreme Court’s Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision.[2] Mr. Pilger testified that the Department’s agenda for the meeting was to engage with Ms. Lerner and the IRS on being “more vigilant to the opportunities from more crime in the . . . 501(c)(4) area.”[3] Mr. Pilger testified that he was interested in the “practicalities” of criminal enforcement by the IRS, such as whether the IRS could review donor lists of 501(c)(4) organizations for potential violations of campaign-finance law.[4] Mr. Pilger stated that Ms. Lerner, however, expressed skepticism about the practicality of using criminal law to address political speech by 501(c)(4) organizations.[5]
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Old 12-13-2014, 10:45 AM
 
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They should indict her if they have evidence of a crime....
All roads lead to her and with the apparent discovery of the "lost" emails this is just the side show.
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Old 12-13-2014, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Grove City, Ohio
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Prosecute Holder on RICO charges.

He belongs in an orange jumpsuit, as does Lerner.

If the prosecution has to wait 2 years, ok.
100 years each in a supermax sounds good to me.
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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Obama Justice Department Was Involved In IRS Targeting, Lerner Emails Reveal - Forbes

Bombshell revelation blows lid off IRS scandal

Not all of the emails have been turned over yet, but some of the recently turned over emails show Lois Lerner working with Obama's Department of Justice on the IRS targeting of conservatives that the IRS has already admitted was "absolutely inappropriate." What is more is that this happened 2 whole years before the DOJ and Lerner said they had first contact between each other on this issue.

With several dozen coincidences, I am sure this lapse in memory is just another one.

How can we trust Obama's Department of Justice to conduct a thorough investigation when some of them are apparently involved and they have come up short time and again in getting to the bottom of this - where the media finds out evidence before the DOJ's investigation?
"Not an ounce of corruption" - Barack Obama
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Old 12-13-2014, 02:06 PM
 
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It's just another coincidence that supposedly their 1st contact between each other was in 2012 and not in 2010?

Yes, the DOJ is still withholding hundreds of documents, no wonder we don't know more details.

We do know it had to do with 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations - which is what the targeting was about.

We do know Lerner then sent a 1.1 Million page document on 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations private data.

We do know that it was supposedly innocently forgotten that this exchange happened.

And we do know that most of this info is still being withheld or dripped out and redacted.
AND ALL document were ordered to be given to Congress, yet they did NOT get them, and STILL haven't

A FOIA was requested by a non-gov't group and they got MORE documents then Congress did ONLY because a judge made them give them up which is how we got these.
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