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Old 12-15-2014, 04:59 PM
 
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Gee, that is a tough one. I will not disgrace the memory of so many lives taken in Germany in the late 30s and 40s, but this defense is right out of German denial of the horrible fate of millions. Only a few, like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, were willing to stand up and say, "Look world!"

Frankly, I am stupefied at your response.

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As to your point two, these emails show the DOJ initiating contact and being directed to Lois Lerner. Not the other way around as your point two implies. Nothing in this particular disclosure shows that anything improper occurred. Nor do the emails show why the DOJ was contacting the IRS.
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Old 12-15-2014, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Those to be found responsible for their actions.
Then how do you know they did intentionally target right wing groups if you don't even know who did it? How long has this "scandal" been going?
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Old 12-15-2014, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Gee, that is a tough one. I will not disgrace the memory of so many lives taken in Germany in the late 30s and 40s, but this defense is right out of German denial of the horrible fate of millions. Only a few, like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, were willing to stand up and say, "Look world!"

Frankly, I am stupefied at your response.
Not sure why you are stupefied. I replied to the part that I have now underlined.

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#2 Why are you ignoring the fact that the story has just suddenly shifted again. The story was that Lois Lerner had not contacted the DOJ until 2012. Now we know for a fact that she had contacted the DOJ in 2010. Are you willing to accept this as just another coincidence of an honest mistake -- all of these coincidences and honest mistakes point to a cover-up.

Originally Posted by WilliamSmyth
As to your point two, these emails show the DOJ initiating contact and being directed to Lois Lerner. Not the other way around as your point two implies. Nothing in this particular disclosure shows that anything improper occurred. Nor do the emails show why the DOJ was contacting the IRS.

Having dug a little further, as I have posted on this thread, we actually do know why the DOJ contacted the IRS in 2010. The Oversight Committee was already aware of this contact and they have published information about it, including an Internal IRS document reporting on what occurred at the meeting.
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:59 PM
 
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Just enough groups to supress the vote for 2012. The process denied justice and supressed the vote by extending the process beyond the 2012 election and in some cases for years.

The IRS must be disamantled and its minions arrested along with the whitehouse staff that directed them.
LOL! I see. So Romney would have won if some Tea Party groups had gotten their tax exemption sooner. And I bet you typed that with a straight face. Heck, I bet you even believe it. LOL.

But take heart. McConnell has promised more hearings on this once they take control of the Senate. Between this and the ALL NEW AND IMPROVED BENGHAZI!!! hearings, the Republicans will make sure they do nothing constructive for the next two years.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:18 PM
 
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Then how do you know they did intentionally target right wing groups if you don't even know who did it? How long has this "scandal" been going?

"found" responsible = held responsible, not who.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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"found" responsible = held responsible, not who.
Well let us know when you guys finally get the answer you all want to here....even though we all know you guys will never accept that actual answers.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:29 PM
 
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As along you don't want any answers at all and bury your head in the sand and are happy in the company of those that do the same.
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Old 12-16-2014, 05:12 AM
 
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I'll throw in disingenuous to the a cowardly denial of what is a clear pattern of lies, disinformation, delay, obstruction and racketeering breaking of the law. Oh, that is right, by any means necessary.
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Not sure why you are stupefied. I replied to the part that I have now underlined.

Originally Posted by michiganmoon
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#2 Why are you ignoring the fact that the story has just suddenly shifted again. The story was that Lois Lerner had not contacted the DOJ until 2012. Now we know for a fact that she had contacted the DOJ in 2010. Are you willing to accept this as just another coincidence of an honest mistake -- all of these coincidences and honest mistakes point to a cover-up.

Originally Posted by WilliamSmyth
As to your point two, these emails show the DOJ initiating contact and being directed to Lois Lerner. Not the other way around as your point two implies. Nothing in this particular disclosure shows that anything improper occurred. Nor do the emails show why the DOJ was contacting the IRS.

Having dug a little further, as I have posted on this thread, we actually do know why the DOJ contacted the IRS in 2010. The Oversight Committee was already aware of this contact and they have published information about it, including an Internal IRS document reporting on what occurred at the meeting.
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Old 12-16-2014, 06:10 AM
 
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How many political rivals (i.e., Tea Party groups) were denied their tax status? Oh, that's right, none.



Riveting and Chilling: Victims of IRS Targeting Tell Their Stories on Capitol Hill - Katie Pavlich#!

I guess you need to read up on the scandal a little bit. For those eventually NOT denied their tax exempt status (and that was eventually), your rationale that no crime was committed would be analagous to firing several shots at a person, missing, and claiming there was no crime as the targeted person is not dead!

In your mind, every attempted murder, robbery, theft, or assault is not a crime.
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Old 12-16-2014, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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I'll throw in disingenuous to the a cowardly denial of what is a clear pattern of lies, disinformation, delay, obstruction and racketeering breaking of the law. Oh, that is right, by any means necessary.
Have you actually read the emails obtained by Judicial Watch?

There is very little information in them and all the information in them has been known for months.
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