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Old 12-12-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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You think she'll vote "yes"?
I don't know.....we will see. How does she justify a "no" vote when she slammed those who voted "no" in the past?
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Old 12-12-2014, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I really think there is an increasing chance that Warren will be a contender for POTUS in 2016. Team Obama is going to want a progressive alternative to Hillary, and I don't see anyone else out there. It's almost 2015 now, and early 2015 will be the time to announce.

Bring it on Liz. Don't forget the lessons of 1972.
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Old 12-12-2014, 05:52 PM
 
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I really think there is an increasing chance that Warren will be a contender for POTUS in 2016. Team Obama is going to want a progressive alternative to Hillary, and I don't see anyone else out there. It's almost 2015 now, and early 2015 will be the time to announce.

Bring it on Liz. Don't forget the lessons of 1972.
Yep. Hillary's history. Warren is the female Obama (You didn't build that!) She motivates her lunatic base so she'll be the nominee, but she can't win. America has had enough of Obama. They won't elect another!
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:08 PM
 
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I don't know.....we will see. How does she justify a "no" vote when she slammed those who voted "no" in the past?
All the obviously valid justifications already mentioned, I guess.
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:12 PM
 
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All the obviously valid justifications already mentioned, I guess.
Justifications from those who would justify anything. Boehner makes all sorts of promises pre-election and the first thing he does is break most of them. People try and justify that.

Warren slams those who would vote no for a budget over principled positions but then would do it herself. The justifications role in.

I would think people would tire of this but I guess it's ingrained in the DNA of many.
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:29 PM
 
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Sure it is. Everyone in the country would have an income of zero, if not for society. Strictly speaking, you owe society everything you have. Cabin-dwelling mountain men possibly excepted, although they arguably still benefit from not having to speak German or Russian because of the military. If you live in a society, you implicitly agree to pay taxes.
Taxes yes. Extortion, not so much. When one group of people benefit with virtually no effort, the system is inherently flawed.

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Old 12-12-2014, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Justifications from those who would justify anything. Boehner makes all sorts of promises pre-election and the first thing he does is break most of them. People try and justify that.

Warren slams those who would vote no for a budget over principled positions but then would do it herself. The justifications role in.

I would think people would tire of this but I guess it's ingrained in the DNA of many.
Shutting down the government because they didn't like the an already established program is quite different. Warren's criticism for congressmen and their connections to Wall St should be welcomed, they approved a rider which shouldn't have been in the budget bill and the issue of the day is Warren, priorities gone astray or is 2008 now forgotten. She was spot on with her speech but let's try to manufacture some hypocrisy rather than take congress to task, Warren is not the problem it's Wall St.
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Isn't she that indian chick?

Yeah. Fauxcahontas.
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:46 PM
 
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Shutting down the government because they didn't like the an already established program is quite different.
No it isn't.

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Warren's criticism for congressmen and their connections to Wall St should be welcomed, they approved a rider which shouldn't have been in the budget bill and the issue of the day is Warren, priorities gone astray or is 2008 now forgotten. She was spot on with her speech but let's try to manufacture some hypocrisy rather than take congress to task, Warren is not the problem it's Wall St.
I support her position. I do not support her hypocritical position on voting "no" on a budget.
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:47 PM
 
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Sure it is. Everyone in the country would have an income of zero, if not for society. Strictly speaking, you owe society everything you have. Cabin-dwelling mountain men possibly excepted, although they arguably still benefit from not having to speak German or Russian because of the military. If you live in a society, you implicitly agree to pay taxes.
Yea too bad half of Americans don't pay taxes yet expect all kinds of special treatment on top of getting subsidies. So they have no right to live within American society.
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