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Old 12-13-2014, 05:08 PM
 
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Seriously, aren't we all better off with a government shut down? Its not like Congress or the White House have been doing anything productive for quite some time.
Well government productivity = loss of freedom and more theft of our money, so the obvious answer is yes.
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Old 12-13-2014, 05:18 PM
 
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That's what I meant by "they succeeded". Many Dems are voting to fund the government in spite of the D-F poison pill.
Democrats care more about government shutdowns than Republicans do since it hurts their constituents more. Ditto for flirting with a default over the debt ceiling -- no one would like the immediate economic results, but the long term inability to borrow as easily would be great from the Republican POV just as much as it would be disastrous from the Democratic POV. This gives Republicans some leverage to make demands during annual appropriations, debt ceilings, etc. -- but only so much leverage, as witnessed by the failure to extract bigger things on the last debt ceiling shutdown.

Small concessions keep the government running and the moderates and campaign donors happy. Left Democrats are upset about having to give up anything, and right Republicans are upset because they would be willing to endure a prolonged shutdown to force repeal of a more material amount of the 09-10 laws, so the edges of either side aren't happy.

Personally my feelings are mixed -- avoiding a shutdown is good, but I'd much rather the Republicans got more for it, and got something good for their constituent voters like myself and not just campaign donors. They could have gone bigger and gone more worthwhile.
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Old 12-13-2014, 05:19 PM
 
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Seriously, aren't we all better off with a government shut down? Its not like Congress or the White House have been doing anything productive for quite some time.
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Old 12-13-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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I give both of them credit, I would not have cared if it was Vitter on the podium, wrong is wrong and I give him credit for stepping up when far too many are silent on this from both parties.
Thank you.
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