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The 12 year old boy's death who was shot in Cleveland by Police was ruled a homicide.
Cleveland has a very high crime rate.
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated
So what?
The cops will walk. The prosecution will not indict.
The system is corrupt as hell.
And the cop should walk. The "boy" was 5' 7" and weighed 195 lbs, so he didn't look like a kid. The boy had a gun that was an exact replica of a real gun that he refused to drop. Too bad there is a video, so "witnesses" won't be able to lie and say he dropped the gun well before the kid was shot.
We use to run all over the neighborhood, playing cowboys and indians(I was always the indian) and cops and robbers.
The kids today in our neighborhood now, have a big airsoft war, about once a month.
My kids did the same thing but NEVER in a million million years would I let them take airsoft guns to a city park in one of the rougher parts of the metro area I live in and assume all would be well.
I've lived in towns with 5000 and towns with >5million and in between and am as you know pro-gun.
Those guns are used to commit robberies in bad neighborhoods and gun holders for the gangs are often young as they don't face adult charges.
Let's just say I'd rather put on a seal suit and be drug across San Francisco Bay than walk around a park on the south side of chicago pointing an airsoft gun at joggers etc.
Police officers are the law, so this will still go unpunished. Eric Garner's death was also ruled as a homicide, and we had that entire event on video. We could all see how much aggression the cops exerted. And nothing happened. What makes this different?
It means you still don't understand the meaning of "local civilian control."
A store clerk shoots and kills an armed robber. The police refuse to file charges. The coroner declares it s "justifiable homicide." The gran jury refuses to indict. The prosecutor refuses to prosecute.
But the store clerk still gets fired for violating the company policies.
Are the police under local union control? Or local civilian control?
You need to decide.
Wait until the politicians unionize.
Be a great political system, no?
Can't have elections, unless a politician is indicted or convicted.
I'll certainly be looking forward to that...
In defense of the cops in this case, the toy gun looked just like a real gun and the dispatch didn't pass onto the responding cops that the caller said it may be a toy. The video is very grainy and so is hard to see if the kid raised his gun towards the officers. If he did raise the gun, then the shooting was justified. In other recent cases, the problem wasn't the minor crime committed. The problem is the suspect attacking the cop. Yes, cops do harass and wrongly arrest suspects. However, fighting an armed police officer on the street isn't the answer. Your goal is to live. You comply with instructions and fight the officer/charges calmly in court. You're more likely to beat the charges if you don't have those additional charges of resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer. Members of my white family have had run ins with the police. Those that acted according to police instructions in a respectful and non-threatening manner were either let off easy or were arrested with no beatings. A few fought back and got beaten up then sent to Angola prison. They could have been shot but they stopped fighting when gun a was drawn. Michael Brown fought the officer back into the officer's vehicle, was shot in self defense by the officer, left, and then came back at the officer. No shots were fired into his back and he was under the influence of drugs.
I take a back seat to no one when it comes to being anti-cop, but we really need to stop and think clearly about these cases of cops shooting black people. In the case of Michael Brown, it is well-proven that he tried to snatch the cops gun. His blood was on the gun from when he tried to snatch it, and it went off and hit him in the hand. It still baffles me that people can think this is somehow racism. Normal people of any hue do not try to snatch a cop's sidearm.
This case in Cleveland sounds like just a tragedy. If the kid had a gun that looked real, and refused to drop it, what is the cop supposed to do? Wait to get shot to decide whether it's a real gun or not?
I have been in this situation years ago as a graveyard shift convenience store clerk. A guy tried to rob me; he lifted his shirt to reveal a gun that was stuck way down into his waistband. I only got a quick glance at it, but I believe it was probably a toy or BB gun. I had my Glock 19 in an IWB holster, and knew that I would have 3 holes in him before he could retrieve his gun, toy or not, stuck deep in his front waistband and impeded by pounds of blubber, so I declined to give him any money.
Fortunately for both of us, he made the right call and ran out of the store instead of drawing his gun. But if he had gone for his gun I would have shot him. You just don't have time to wait around and find out whether the gun is real or not.
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