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Old 12-13-2014, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Nice history lesson.
You've completely ignored my point.





The point of the post in question was that because China is such a heavy CO2 emitter, that America's emissions don't matter.

This is a logical fallacy known as the fallacy of relative privation.
And you are falling for it.
and all you do is deny, dismiss, and reject


the fact is the co2 is lower than the earthy average

the temp today is lower than the normal interglacial average


climate change is natural...man has nothing to do with it....does man pollute and waste..YES...but man is insignificant to the natural climate change


why is it the fascist liberals are SO EGOTISTICAL that they think they can fight nature with a tax

 
Old 12-13-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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Climatologists have looked at the temperature records, ice cores, tree rings, coral, fossils, etc. over the past 100+ years and observed or reconstructed a record of temperatures for the entire planet that points to an abrupt warming starting with the advent of industrialization. So they know that the Earth's climate is changing to one that is warmer than in the past.
Actually many of those reconstructions don't jive with observed temperatures, you are aware the hockey stick is two completely different sets of data merged around 1960?
 
Old 12-13-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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Actually many of those reconstructions don't jive with observed temperatures, you are aware the hockey stick is two completely different sets of data merged around 1960?
Why would climatologists need to reconstruct observed temperatures?

If temperatures have been observed, then they can just use those observations in their temperature records.

 
Old 12-13-2014, 10:52 AM
 
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Why would climatologists need to reconstruct observed temperatures?
If your proxy temperature does not match observed temperatures what does that tell you about potential issues with the accuracy of the proxy temperature?
 
Old 12-13-2014, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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No. It's now about the consequences of politicizing the fact of climate change, i.e., making political correctness (and not empirical evidence) the test of science. What we are looking at now (at this late date) is what to do about the consequences of our delay in doing what was necessary when it was needed.
Pascoe Sabado from Corporate Europe Observatory: “We have to accept that climate change is not about the climate; it is about the economy. Climate change is about system change.”
 
Old 12-13-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Did you ever take a single science course?
You don't need to take a science course. Just listen to the AGW alarmists. They condemn the science with their own words. Pascoe Sabado from Corporate Europe Observatory: “We have to accept that climate change is not about the climate; it is about the economy. Climate change is about system change.”
 
Old 12-13-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Why would climatologists need to reconstruct observed temperatures?
Because they needed data to support their agenda. They then destroyed the raw data.
 
Old 12-13-2014, 04:13 PM
 
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If your proxy temperature does not match observed temperatures what does that tell you about potential issues with the accuracy of the proxy temperature?
What are you talking about, exactly? I'm assuming this isn't something you came up with on your own and there's some sort of story about this online somewhere?
 
Old 12-13-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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Because they needed data to support their agenda. They then destroyed the raw data.
Deniers know that there is nothing more rational or scientific than a conspiracy.
 
Old 12-13-2014, 04:34 PM
 
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The global warmers have money at stake and don't want the people preventing them from capitalizing on it. That's why they're trying to force through legislation despite lack of support and lack of scientific evidence.
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