U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Covid-19 Information Page
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 12-13-2014, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Houston
24,783 posts, read 13,014,792 times
Reputation: 10456

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Those " patriots" owned humans and denied women the right to vote.
I think you should not paint Ben with the same brush as Tom And George even if you are factually correct. Ben joined the abolition movement toward the end of his life.
Rate this post positively

 
Old 12-13-2014, 08:39 AM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
10,193 posts, read 6,944,431 times
Reputation: 8079
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ericthebean View Post
If they met Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid,

Would they be saying "these are exactly the American patriots we envisioned for America's future when we founded this country! Hallelelujah!!!

Or no?


I imagine they would be wondering what the hell happened that the country got to be in this condition. I seriously doubt that they would consider Obama to be the American patriot that they envisioned. More like "what the hell?"
Rate this post positively
 
Old 12-13-2014, 08:40 AM
 
14,917 posts, read 11,757,402 times
Reputation: 4828
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wendell Phillips View Post
Did Thomas Jefferson have the constitutional authority to make the "Louisiana Purchase"? Should he have been impeached?
Jefferson should have been thrown in prison for his King-like usurpation of power.
Rate this post positively
 
Old 12-13-2014, 08:50 AM
 
2,840 posts, read 3,213,195 times
Reputation: 1400
Thomas Jefferson had a significant influence on the founding of the nation; albeit his ideas were not adopted by the framers of the Constitution. Jefferson was serving as Ambassador to France at the time of the Constitutional Convention; and except for his correspondence with some of the delegates, what resulted was largely the work of James Madison. (Even his draft Constitution and Declaration of Rights for Virginia was rejected in favor of the model of George Mason.) Jefferson’s main contribution was the Louisiana Purchase, which opened the way to westward expansion, and the rise of America to become one of the great nations of the world. The epitaph on his tomb recites: "Here was buried Thomas Jefferson, Author of the Declaration of American Independence, of the Statute of Virginia for religious freedom, & Father of the University of Virginia." He died bankrupt; but he nevertheless left a rich legacy for all of us.
Rate this post positively
 
Old 12-13-2014, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
6,553 posts, read 3,545,424 times
Reputation: 3804
I love that the OP only listed Democrats. It's cute. Especially given we have a Republican majority congress. But what's more, it's as if he's implying that the founding fathers would love how the Republicans do things, when in reality, both parties are WAY to authoritarian to be given praise by any of the men who founded this country.
Rate this post positively
 
Old 12-13-2014, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Houston
24,783 posts, read 13,014,792 times
Reputation: 10456
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDusty View Post
I love that the OP only listed Democrats. It's cute. Especially given we have a Republican majority congress. But what's more, it's as if he's implying that the founding fathers would love how the Republicans do things, when in reality, both parties are WAY to authoritarian to be given praise by any of the men who founded this country.
Washington would have the most problems with the neoconservatives, Jefferson the modern liberals. Ben would be at a strip club.

Washington would be locked up for growing hemp.
Rate this post positively
 
Old 12-13-2014, 09:14 AM
 
17,027 posts, read 10,160,936 times
Reputation: 5707
Quote:
Originally Posted by hammertime33 View Post
Jefferson should have been thrown in prison for his King-like usurpation of power.



8 Things You May Not Know About the Louisiana Purchase

Recommend to read all of the link.

2. The United States nearly went to war over Louisiana.
Under a 1795 treaty with Spain, U.S. merchants and farmers could send their goods down the Mississippi River and store them in New Orleans without paying export duties. For many Americans, this so-called right of deposit was important enough that talk of war began proliferating when it was revoked in October 1802. Former Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton, using the pen name Pericles, wrote that the United States should “seize at once on the Floridas and New Orleans and then negotiate.” Meanwhile, the governor of the Mississippi Territory claimed that 600 militiamen would be enough to grab hold of New Orleans, and Federalist Senator James Ross of Pennsylvania advocated taking possession of the city with 50,000 men. Even Jefferson’s own party, the Democratic-Republicans, supported a resolution that would keep 80,000 men ready to march at a moment’s notice. This bravado arose largely because Napoleon’s powerful army had yet to arrive in Louisiana. Several thousand troops slated for the territory were instead being decimated by a slave rebellion and yellow fever in Saint Domingue (now Haiti), and additional troops were stuck in a Dutch port waiting for the winter ice to clear.
3. The United States never asked for all of Louisiana.
On the advice of a French friend, Jefferson offered to purchase land from Napoleon rather than threatening war over it. He instructed his two chief negotiators, special envoy James Monroe and minister Robert Livingston, to pay up to $9.375 million for New Orleans and Florida (the later of which remained under Spanish control). If that failed, they were to try to get back the right of deposit. Livingston also floated a plan for the United States to take over the two-thirds of Louisiana located north of the Arkansas River, which he argued would serve as a crucial buffer between French Louisiana and British Canada. But although the Americans never asked for it, Napoleon dangled the entire territory in front of them on April 11, 1803. A treaty, dated April 30 and signed May 2, was then worked out that gave Louisiana to the United States in exchange for $11.25 million, plus the forgiveness of $3.75 million in French debt .
Rate this post positively
 
Old 12-13-2014, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Here.
14,771 posts, read 13,680,708 times
Reputation: 17353
This sounds like a joke:

Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and Obama enter a bar.

Jefferson orders a glass of French wine.

Washington orders a shot of Western Pennsylvania whiskey.

Franklin orders a Sam Adams.

And Obama orders 11 million Coronas.
Rate this post positively
 
Old 12-13-2014, 09:27 AM
 
54,931 posts, read 29,699,895 times
Reputation: 17795
Jefferson would say "and which one of my slaves are you?"

Or he might say, "am I your father TOO?"
Rate this post positively
 
Old 12-13-2014, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Houston
24,783 posts, read 13,014,792 times
Reputation: 10456
Quote:
Originally Posted by desertdetroiter View Post
Jefferson would say "and which one of my slaves are you?"

Or he might say, "am I your father TOO?"
Zombies are never depicted as being real bright.
Rate this post positively
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2020, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top