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sorry gtown. finding witnessess that say exactly what wilson said is not possible. and if there were some such, you would be pointing out how unreliable eye witness testimony is.
So what we have said and what matters is, there is physical evidence. LOTS of it.
There are witnesses, including Mr. Wilson whos testimony geneerally agree with the physical evidence.
There are witnesses whose testimony generally dont agree wit the physical evidence.
The question isnt do other witneses agree with Wilson. The question is, whose testimoney agrees with the evidence?
All of your questions and claims
have been answered repeatedly.
You just don't like the answers.
I apologize for what you perceive as a personal
attack, but this is really gettin' tedious.
Mebbie time for me to ignore this thread.
Please don't, this thread has been an utter train-wreck to watch.
It's like the old birther threads where they demand to see a birth certificate but if one is produced it's fake and on and on and on with utter denial and goalpost moving.
sorry gtown. finding witnessess that say exactly what wilson said is not possible. and if there were some such, you would be pointing out how unreliable eye witness testimony is.
So what we have said and what matters is, there is physical evidence. LOTS of it.
There are witnesses, including Mr. Wilson whos testimony geneerally agree with the physical evidence.
There are witnesses whose testimony generally dont agree wit the physical evidence.
The question isnt do other witneses agree with Wilson. The question is, whose testimoney agrees with the evidence?
Thats how this works in every case.
Stop stating that lie/deflection.
Even the experts who examined the forensics evidence said that it doesn't tell the whole story.
I honestly can't believe you can't make the connection.
You would think, that if Wilson is telling the truth, and there's a half dozen witnesses backing up his story (remember that claim yall ran with??!), then SOMEONE would tell a story similar to Wilson's.
Where are those half dozen witnesses?? Where is ONE witness who backs up Wilson's account??
I would say that your trolling if you can't address the discussion but simply want to attack posters who are making rational, logical claims that Wilson was not telling the whole truth.
Please don't, this thread has been an utter train-wreck to watch.
It's like the old birther threads where they demand to see a birth certificate but if one is produced it's fake and on and on and on with utter denial and goalpost moving.
Even the experts who examined the forensics evidence said that it doesn't tell the whole story.
I honestly can't believe you can't make the connection.
of course it doesnt tell the whole story! no one said it does.
but it certainly does eliminate the story told by some of the witnessess. Like those who said mr. brown was either kneeling on the ground or standing up with his hands over his head saying "hands up dont shoot".
it does elminate those who said Mr. Wilson stood over him and fired into his body.
it does eliminate those who said Mr. Brown was shot in the back....
so that leaves a group of witnesses who who paint a picture that rounds out the story. witnesses who say similar things but from various viewpoints. all generally pointing in the same direction.
Brown was jaywalking
Wilson stopped and told him to get out of the street
Brown attacked Wilson
Wilsons gun went off in the car while Brown was figthing with Wilson
Wilson suffered wounds from the attack
Brown retreated.
Wilson pursued
When Wilson called out, Brown turned around and came at Wilson
Wilson shot at Brown
Brown stopped
Wilson stopped firing
Brown charged
Wilson killed Brown.
Utterly and completly justified shooting of a criminal in an act of assaulting a police officer.
THAT is what the physical evidence, and the eye witness testimoney of the people whose testimoney in general agrees with the physical evicence shows. THAT is the truth. THAT is what happened.
of course it doesnt tell the whole story! no one said it does.
but it certainly does eliminate the story told by some of the witnessess. Like those who said mr. brown was either kneeling on the ground or standing up with his hands over his head saying "hands up dont shoot".
it does elminate those who said Mr. Wilson stood over him and fired into his body.
it does eliminate those who said Mr. Brown was shot in the back....
so that leaves a group of witnesses who who paint a picture that rounds out the story. witnesses who say similar things but from various viewpoints. all generally pointing in the same direction.
Brown was jaywalking
Wilson stopped and told him to get out of the street
Brown attacked Wilson
Wilsons gun went off in the car while Brown was figthing with Wilson
Wilson suffered wounds from the attack
Brown retreated.
Wilson pursued
When Wilson called out, Brown turned around and came at Wilson
Wilson shot at Brown
Brown stopped
Wilson stopped firing
Brown charged
Wilson killed Brown.
Utterly and completly justified shooting of a criminal in an act of assaulting a police officer.
THAT is what the physical evidence, and the eye witness testimoney of the people whose testimoney in general agrees with the physical evicence shows. THAT is the truth. THAT is what happened.
Thank you for giving an actual reply.
Let's use your analysis.
You said that witnesses stated that Brown charged the officer. Something forensics would not prove. Let's start there.
Witnesses 44, 35, 34, 30 and 10 said that Brown charged officer Wilson.
Witness 34, claims that Brown took off after the 1st shot at the cruiser, refuting Wilson's claim Brown began punching him wildly after being shot. He also claims that they were wrestling with each other's shirts. Very similar to Dorian Johnson's account.
Witness 34 gives a different account than Wilson. That witness can not be used to fully corroborate Wilson's testimony. He gives a very different account.
Witness 10 has already been proven as not credible. Won't address here.
Witness 30 contradicts Wilson's testimony in that he states that Wilson shot at Brown as he was running away.
Witness 30 contradicts Wilson's testimony.
Witness 35 claims that Brown was shot as Wilson exited the vehicle. He also claims Wilson executed Brown. Witness 35 also claims that Brown's hands were up when he was shot.
Finally we come to witness 44. Witness 44 claims that Brown's hands were up when he was shot. His/her testimony would contradict Wilson's and suggest Wilson executed him while he was surrendering.
Not a single witness who claims Brown "charged" officer Wilson gave a testimony consistent with officer Wilson's. Some of their testimonies could have incriminated officer Darren Wilson.
When you combine the only true evidence (the forensic evidence) with testimony and common sense, it's easy to see why Wilson wasn't, and should not have been, charged.
And once more, for people totally not paying attention - a grand jury indictment is not about establishing guilt. It is an evidence based decision on whether or not someone should be indicted (put on trial) and prosecuted for a crime. Cops tend to get wide latitude from juries anyway, and the evidence in this case had all kinds of reasonable doubt that the whole "hands up, helpless gentle giant" narrative was nonsense. Thus, proving murder or even manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt was deemed extremely unlikely, thus why waste taxpayer time and money?
Grand juries do not determine guilt, they do not try cases. They simply decide whether or not to proceed with a prosecution.
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