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...So let's break down that section. The only way for there NOT to be a significant amount of blood on Wilson's uniform or body would be for Wilson to be embellishing...
Wilson had Brown's blood on his uniform, on his weapon and in his patrol vehicle. What are your qualifications for judging what is or isn't an appropriate amount of blood to be transferred from Brown to Wilson and his car, given the injuries to Brown's hand?
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...ALL other witnesses stated Brown ran after the shot. That's more consistent to the forensics than Brown swinging wildly on Wilson with a bloody hand...
Then how did the blood get on Wilson's uniform/weapon/inside the car? Is it possible that he took a swing or two Wilson before running away even with the witness testimony?
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...If Brown was using 1 hand/arm, I used an example. Stand up. Keep one hand or arm stationary. And punch with 1 arm...
Not sure where you're going here? I can stand and keep one arm stationary AND punch with the other hand.
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...How do you explain Wilson's testimony even without the witnesses?
No two witness stories lined up with ANY other story 100%.
Just because testimony doesn't jive 100% doesn't mean you disregard the parts of the testimony that ARE congruent, you know. Unless that testimony is refuted by physical evidence, at least.
No two witness stories lined up with ANY other story 100%.
Just because testimony doesn't jive 100% doesn't mean you disregard the parts of the testimony that ARE congruent, you know. Unless that testimony is refuted by physical evidence, at least.
I'm not talking about minor details, I'm talking about significant details.
None said that Brown began punching Wilson after he was shot for example.
Only 2 said Brown's hands were up and you can scroll back to show how they match up with Wilson's testimony.
I'm not talking about minor details, I'm talking about significant details.
None said that Brown began punching Wilson after he was shot for example.
Only 2 said Brown's hands were up and you can scroll back to show how they match up with Wilson's testimony.
How if he were punched after the shot or not change the rest of his case. You know.. The parts where a thug did punch a cop, got shot while his hand was in the car, ran, turned around and came back toward the cop.
I'm not talking about minor details, I'm talking about significant details.
That's when the physical evidence comes in.
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None said that Brown began punching Wilson after he was shot for example.
Does it make a difference if he was punched before or after the first shots inside the vehicle? If so, in what way?
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Only 2 said Brown's hands were up and you can scroll back to show how they match up with Wilson's testimony.
And this is not supported by the physical evidence. It's not ruled out, either.
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Wilson had Brown's blood on his uniform, on his weapon and in his patrol vehicle. What are your qualifications for judging what is or isn't an appropriate amount of blood to be transferred from Brown to Wilson and his car, given the injuries to Brown's hand?
Then how did the blood get on Wilson's uniform/weapon/inside the car? Is it possible that he took a swing or two Wilson before running away even with the witness testimony?
Not sure where you're going here? I can stand and keep one arm stationary AND punch with the other hand.
Don't look now but jury's in our justice system are the end all and be all. You got a better system?
What I think happened at that car is what the officer said happened. There is no evidence to dispute it. You seem to think the officer was able to come up with a lie that was completely consistent with the physical evidence, before the forensic report was released.
But not all of Wilson's story matches the forensic evidence.
He claims he was hit hard in the face by Michael Brown's fist several times, yet none of Wilson's DNA was found on the back of Brown's hand. Also, pictures of Wilson's face, and the medical exam, do not back up his claim that he was hit hard in the face several times--they simply do not.
He claims that after being shot in the hand, Michael Brown proceeded to attack Wilson again through the car window, yet there is hardly ANY blood on Wilson's uniform. Yet Wilson claimed that Brown was bleeding so heavily that the entire back of Wilson's right hand was just "covered" in blood.
Wilson's story does not match the acoustic evidence of the pattern of gunshots recorded in the background of that one man's video chat.
Wilson told a fellow cop immediately after the shooting that he didn't know anything about the stolen cigarellos and that that had had nothing to do with why he stopped the young men, and yet later he said he did know about the stolen goods.
Wilson claimed he yelled at Brown several times to get down or give up or whatever, yet many witnesses claim they did not hear him yell any such thing.
And most strikingly, his story comes out as totally rehearsed and self-serving. He didn't turn around and cut off the young men in their path, thus pinning them down in effect? No, Michael Brown was preventing him from getting out of his car.
He emphasized how enraged Brown was; to me it seems that this punk cop got his ego wounded by these guys telling him to f-off and he's the one who lost it.
He didn't so much as lay a hand on Michael Brown until Brown started swinging at him?, yeah right. He felt that one more punch from Michael Brown might have "killed" him, that Brown was huge so that he felt like he was facing Hulk Hogan, whereas Wilson himself is a big man, 6'3" or something, and armed.
He felt that an unarmed young man 150 feet away from him, who had already been shot and injured, who had literally run out of his flip-flops, was a threat to him? His whole story is absurd. Michael Brown was running AWAY from Wilson; he turned around to surrender. Why would anyone run straight at someone who was shooting at him? The reality is that no one would do that.
But not all of Wilson's story matches the forensic evidence.
He claims he was hit hard in the face by Michael Brown's fist several times, yet none of Wilson's DNA was found on the back of Brown's hand. Also, pictures of Wilson's face, and the medical exam, do not back up his claim that he was hit hard in the face several times--they simply do not.
He claims that after being shot in the hand, Michael Brown proceeded to attack Wilson again through the car window, yet there is hardly ANY blood on Wilson's uniform. Yet Wilson claimed that Brown was bleeding so heavily that the entire back of Wilson's right hand was just "covered" in blood.
Wilson's story does not match the acoustic evidence of the pattern of gunshots recorded in the background of that one man's video chat.
Wilson told a fellow cop immediately after the shooting that he didn't know anything about the stolen cigarellos and that that had had nothing to do with why he stopped the young men, and yet later he said he did know about the stolen goods.
Wilson claimed he yelled at Brown several times to get down or give up or whatever, yet many witnesses claim they did not hear him yell any such thing.
And most strikingly, his story comes out as totally rehearsed and self-serving. He didn't turn around and cut off the young men in their path, thus pinning them down in effect? No, Michael Brown was preventing him from getting out of his car. He didn't so much as lay a hand on Michael Brown until Brown started swinging at him?, yeah right. He felt that one more punch from Michael Brown might have "killed" him. That's BS. He felt that an unarmed young man 150 feet away from him, who had already been shot and injured, who had literally run out of his flip-flops, was a threat to him? His whole story is absurd. Michael Brown was running AWAY from Wilson; he turned around to surrender. Why would anyone run straight at someone who was shooting at him? The reality is that no one would do that.
Dear genius.... You have lost...
You concede the argument....
You agree that Brown hit Wilson in the face, you just think it wasn't hard enough using whatever measuring stick you deem fit.
YOU CANNOT ATTACK COPS.... OR GO FOR THEIR GUNS...
Case closed...
Test my hypothesis out with the local PD, see how it plays out.
But not all of Wilson's story matches the forensic evidence.
He claims he was hit hard in the face by Michael Brown's fist several times, yet none of Wilson's DNA was found on the back of Brown's hand. Also, pictures of Wilson's face do not back up his claim that he was hit hard in the face several times--they simply do not.
He claims that after being shot in the hand, Michael Brown proceeded to attack Wilson again through the car window, yet there are only minute amounts of blood on Brown's uniform. Wilson claimed that Brown was bleeding so heavily that the entire back of Wilson's right hand was just "covered" in blood.
Wilson's story does not match the acoustic evidence of the pattern of gunshots recorded in the background of that one man's video chat.
Wilson told a fellow cop immediately after the shooting that he didn't know anything about the stolen cigarellos and that that had had nothing to do with why he stopped the young men, and yet later he said he did know about the stolen goods.
Wilson claimed he yelled at Brown several times to get down or give up or whatever, yet many witnesses claim they did not hear him yell any such thing.
And most strikingly, his story comes out as totally rehearsed and self-serving. He didn't so much as lay a hand on Michael Brown until Brown started swinging at him?, yeah right. He felt that one more punch from Michael Brown might have "killed" him. That's BS. He felt that a young man 150 feet away from him, who had already been shot and injured was a threat to him? His whole story is absurd. Michael Brown was running AWAY from Wilson; he turned around to surrender. Why would anyone run straight at someone who was shooting at him? The reality is that no one would do that.
Precisely. Anyone crazy enough to charge a cop after being shot, is certainly a threat.
Page 6 off Wilson's statement he says he was hit by the left hand of Brown. Why would Brown hit him with his wounded right hand after being shot? That's why there isn't more blood in the car, and it is on the outside of the car.
Even if your biased opinion were right, it isn't evidence to indict. Just because it doesn't make sense to you isn't reason go to trial. A lot of people took their time to study the same evidence that you read. They chose not to indict.
Listen, I get it.. You disagree. I had to eat the OJ verdict, your going to have to swallow this one.
You agree that Brown hit Wilson in the face, you just think it wasn't hard enough using whatever measuring stick you deem fit.
YOU CANNOT ATTACK COPS.... OR GO FOR THEIR GUNS...
Case closed...
Test my hypothesis out with the local PD, see how it plays out.
No, as for that one point, I am saying the exact opposite.
The very fact that there was none of Wilson's DNA on the back of Brown's left hand, and the fact that Wilson showed no signs of being hit in the face hard several times, shows that Wilson was lying about being brutally attacked by Michael Brown.
They may have been flailing away at each other --- but I believe Dorian Johnson's eyewitness testimony that it was more like a tug-of-war. Brown was trying to get away, and Wilson was trying to hold on to him. Doesn't that make a little more sense?
No, as for that one point, I am saying the exact opposite.
The very fact that there was none of Wilson's DNA on the back of Brown's left hand, and the fact that Wilson showed no signs of being hit in the face hard several times, shows that Wilson was lying about being brutally attacked by Michael Brown.
They may have been flailing away at each other --- but I believe Dorian Johnson's eyewitness testimony that it was more like a tug-of-war. Brown was trying to get away, and Wilson was trying to hold on to him. Doesn't that make a little more sense?
300 pound man being controlled with one hand by a man sitting in a car make sense? No. Undisputed evidence that Brown struck the cop and at some point had at least one hand in the car. That makes sense.
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