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Old 12-16-2014, 07:14 PM
 
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Thankfully, your opinion is fallacious. If it's illegal according to a statute be it federal, state, county or municipality it's a punishable crime. But you can vote or work at the grass roots level to change it. That's the rule of law and how the system works.
Another genius who needs the government to keep them from doing something stupid to themselves^

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Old 12-16-2014, 10:56 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Jury nullification is our best weapon. I can assure you if I'm on a jury where somebody is accused of drug use, gambling, prostitution or any other life choice "crime", I will vote not guilty.
Then I can assure you that you don't belong on a jury because you'd have to lie during voir dire to be seated.
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:59 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Another genius who needs the government to keep them from doing something stupid to themselves^
Can't stand the truth, huh, so you have to resort to ad hominem.
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Old 12-17-2014, 03:43 AM
 
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Jury nullification is our best weapon. I can assure you if I'm on a jury where somebody is accused of drug use, gambling, prostitution or any other life choice "crime", I will vote not guilty.
Here is the problem... These "life choice" crimes still harm people. Now I am not saying that each of those crimes needs to have the death penalty, or that those crimes are not actually life choices. But, with drug use you have drug dealers, and then there is violence, theft, death in many cases. What about drug use in middle school? What about drug dealers coming across from Mexico & south america?
The other issue is that you can't choose which laws need to be enforced. Our laws all need to be enforced, or they shouldn't be on the books. We can debate a law, but we should not debate law enforcement.
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Old 12-17-2014, 03:50 AM
 
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Tough on crime gets useless politicians elected. It does nothing to reduce crime.
Thats (part of) my point! I would agree with you if this were 1999. The difference now is that politicians are not even talking about it. So, if it were just a stunt to be elected then what has changed in the last 15 years? It seems as though NOBODY wants to talk about or challenge criminals. Take a look at Ferguson and many other news "stories" involving cops. The headlines barely even mention the fact that the "victims" were criminals. It seems as though "criminals" have become a bad word, or a politically incorrect word. Sorta like illegals (aliens), and others. These days it looks as though crime does pay! There are NO consequences.
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Old 12-17-2014, 05:26 AM
 
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Can't stand the truth, huh, so you have to resort to ad hominem.
Hey characterize it however you see fit, Im not the one needing laws to keep me from doing something stupid to myself.
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Old 12-17-2014, 06:29 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Jury nullification is our best weapon. I can assure you if I'm on a jury where somebody is accused of drug use, gambling, prostitution or any other life choice "crime", I will vote not guilty.

Same here. So long as there is no proof that person harmed or killed another in the process, or in the instance of a drug case there was no proof that person sold to kids.
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:06 AM
 
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It wasn't long ago that politicians proudly claimed to be tough on crime. Think Rudy Guliani! It was such a standard line though, but at least they SAID that they were tough on crime. Now, in 2014 we don't hear much about it at all. The problem is compounded by the media, police, and corrupt judges who turn a blind eye to criminals and then we end up with a violent lawless society. I'd like to see a serious politician (governor, senator, presidential candidate) take a leap of faith and discuss this SERIOUS problem in the US. Has anyone else noticed this disturbing trend?
Not only do we not here that, the push now is to be tough on police.
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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To what do you attribute the drastic reduction in crime over the last 25 years?
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Humans evolving into less violent beings.
Wow! So if we just hang on a few more years, we will be done with crime.
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:11 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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To what do you attribute the drastic reduction in crime over the last 25 years?


Where is the corresponding drastic reduction in prison population a drastic reduction in crime should surely bring with it?
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