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Why do you think men don't have a say in this? You think women become pregnant through contact with toilet seats, or immaculate conception, or something?
You're trying to cloud the issue with a different discussion. The other posters point is that the man should have a sy in it since they have a lifetime responsibility.
You're trying to cloud the issue with a different discussion. The other posters point is that the man should have a sy in it since they have a lifetime responsibility.
How stupid do you have to be to not know that 9 months after having sex with a women, you may be hit up for child support? Make your decision at that time. Problem solved.
You're trying to cloud the issue with a different discussion. The other posters point is that the man should have a sy in it since they have a lifetime responsibility.
If a sexual encounter ends in a pregnancy and the woman decides not to terminate, then the man is definitely responsible for his share in the support of that child. It takes two to create a life, so that is fair. However, ultimately, it is the woman who will do the actual bearing of the child, and if she decides she doesn't want to, that has to be up to her. You cannot force a woman to go through pregnancy, labor and childbirth if she doesn't want to.
So yes, it is a different discussion to a point. If a baby is the result of sex, both parties are now responsible for the support of that child. But no man should be allowed to force a woman to bear that child if she doesn't want to.
At the very least there should be a "booty contract" between the parties prior to sex. It would spell out the repercussions and responsibilities for both parties. After reading the agreement, the man's vital reproductive organ will turn into a hidden turtle faster than diving into an ice cold pool.
Most men don't really think about the future when all the blood rushes to the vitals in the heat of the moment.
If a sexual encounter ends in a pregnancy and the woman decides not to terminate, then the man is definitely responsible for his share in the support of that child. It takes two to create a life, so that is fair. However, ultimately, it is the woman who will do the actual bearing of the child, and if she decides she doesn't want to, that has to be up to her. You cannot force a woman to go through pregnancy, labor and childbirth if she doesn't want to.
So yes, it is a different discussion to a point. If a baby is the result of sex, both parties are now responsible for the support of that child. But no man should be allowed to force a woman to bear that child if she doesn't want to.
Seems pretty cut and dried to me.
LOL. Except for the part where the woman gets to be the only one making the decision I suppose.
Tell you what, if we made it so that a woman wanting a abortion had to get the mans permission OR Pay him the equivalent of child support for terminating the baby, would you be OK with that?
LOL. Except for the part where the woman gets to be the only one making the decision I suppose.
She gets the final say because it's her body that is required for the pregnancy to continue. I've had two children--it's no small thing to be pregnant for nine months, and we won't even talk about labor and delivery, or the toll it takes on your body. You can't force that on a woman.
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Tell you what, if we made it so that a woman wanting a abortion had to get the mans permission OR Pay him the equivalent of child support for terminating the baby, would you be OK with that?
Why would the woman have to pay the man the equivalent of child support if there's no child to support? Makes no sense.
Tell you what, find a way to incubate a baby outside of a woman's body and we'll have something to talk about.
She gets the final say because it's her body that is required for the pregnancy to continue. I've had two children--it's no small thing to be pregnant for nine months, and we won't even talk about labor and delivery, or the toll it takes on your body. You can't force that on a woman.
You are incorrect. You can in fact force that, just as you can enforce many highly unpleasent things. Should you? Probably not. But I have to tell you, i'd rather go through giving birth then to give up 18+ years of a significant portion of my income for something a partner choose that I had no say in.
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Why would the woman have to pay the man the equivalent of child support if there's no child to support? Makes no sense.
Why should a man have to support a child he did not want then? You can't have it both ways is my point.
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Tell you what, find a way to incubate a baby outside of a woman's body and we'll have something to talk about.
Tell you what, admit the situation is unfair that someone who does not want the child to be born should have responsibilities when the other person forces them.
Its two sides of a coin, and you want women to have all the say in it, and thats really not fair.
The man cannot choose to abort the child, only the woman can, and if she chooses to keep it, he has a lifetime financial commitment.
The woman can choose to abort the child wether the man likes it or not.
You want the best of both worlds, and thats not right. But theres no easy solutions either. Making a woman financially liable for aborting a mans baby is not a unreasonable thing-you are recompensing him for the child he has lost that you choose to abort against his wishes.
LOL. Except for the part where the woman gets to be the only one making the decision I suppose.
Tell you what, if we made it so that a woman wanting a abortion had to get the mans permission OR Pay him the equivalent of child support for terminating the baby, would you be OK with that?
How about the father who forced the woman to carry the pregnancy against her will goes to prison for life if that pregnancy kills her? Would you be OK with that?
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