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Old 12-18-2014, 09:04 PM
 
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Funny thing, that in the 60s these "frumpy old folks" were often the long haired hippies who were more radical and "progressive" than the young ones of today, who consider themselves the original "progressives". They even held jobs and many went to Nam and some occasionally even laid around on Saturday afternoons ... maybe with a joint . Marijuana wasn't popularized in 2000...or even 1980 or 1970. (Uh, when were most of today's "progressives" born?)

Those frumpy old folks who die off have an amazing ability to be replaced by more old folks ... who still vote.

Just thinkin'
Different times.

Those folks didn't grow up with the access to information that people have at their fingertips today.

People now are very well informed on the massive amount of money and law enforcement resources wasted on the war on drugs, and the politics behind it.
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Old 12-18-2014, 09:05 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Funny thing, that in the 60s these "frumpy old folks" were often the long haired hippies who were more radical and "progressive" than the young ones of today, who consider themselves the original "progressives". They even held jobs and many went to Nam and some occasionally even laid around on Saturday afternoons ... maybe with a joint . Marijuana wasn't popularized in 2000...or even 1980 or 1970. (Uh, when were most of today's "progressives" born?)

Those frumpy old folks who die off have an amazing ability to be replaced by more old folks ... who still vote.

Just thinkin'

Not in Oklahoma, I suspect Nebraska being very similar.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I thought Republicans were all about states' rights.
Only if it doesn't conflict with their religion.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Not in Oklahoma, I suspect Nebraska being very similar.
Yeah, I bet if you took a poll of young Oklahomans from 18 to 30, the majority did not vote for Obama in 2008 or 2012. A lot of them are influenced by their parents and grandparents as to who to vote for. Of course, a big percentage of young people didn't even vote.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Plains States..it figures. Buncha wing nut religious do gooders that know what's best for everyone.
All, too, true. Christian Republicans in Oklahoma are mighty paranoid that someone is going to get high and have a good time, if marijuana is legalized in Oklahoma. The only hope, a slim one at that, is that medical marijuana of the form that contains no more than very slight amounts of THC will be legalized specially for the severe epileptic kids in Oklahoma next year. Everyone else needing other forms of medical marijuana must continue to suffer or move to Colorado.

Hopefully, the lawsuit backfires on them like their ban on same sex marriage. Oklahoma Republicans need to be told the sky didn't fall on Oklahoma when the state recently had to start issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples. The sky won't fall, either, when marijuana is made legal there.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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There is a lawsuit here in WA challenging pot legalization based on the fact that it is still illegal under federal law.
Tiny Fife Takes Center Stage In Marijuana Ban Lawsuit | KUOW News and Information

The Obama admin cut a deal with the WA gov to ignore federal law. This is contrary to article 1, section 1 of the US Constitution, which puts all legislative power in the hands of the legislative branch.

What if a state decided to stop enforcing the Brady Act, and a conservative atty gen cut a deal to go along with it? The MSM, liberals, and DC in general would be caterwauling continuously.

If there is a deal to be cut, it should be cut in the legislative branch in accordance with the Constitution. Maybe the GOP House would be amenable to mj legalization in exchange for repeal of Obamacare. The day we dump overboard rule of law is the day we dump any semblance of freedom.
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Old 12-19-2014, 12:16 AM
 
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There is a lawsuit here in WA challenging pot legalization based on the fact that it is still illegal under federal law.
Tiny Fife Takes Center Stage In Marijuana Ban Lawsuit | KUOW News and Information

The Obama admin cut a deal with the WA gov to ignore federal law. This is contrary to article 1, section 1 of the US Constitution, which puts all legislative power in the hands of the legislative branch.

What if a state decided to stop enforcing the Brady Act, and a conservative atty gen cut a deal to go along with it? The MSM, liberals, and DC in general would be caterwauling continuously.

If there is a deal to be cut, it should be cut in the legislative branch in accordance with the Constitution. Maybe the GOP House would be amenable to mj legalization in exchange for repeal of Obamacare. The day we dump overboard rule of law is the day we dump any semblance of freedom.
No need for Obama to make any deals with Congress--something that has been virtually impossible for the last six years anyway. All he needs to do is to come out firmly in opposition of legalization. That would lead the Republican Congress to make it legal in a heartbeat.

(I keep hoping the president will make a strong statement in favor of breathing one of these days. If only...)
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Old 12-19-2014, 12:42 AM
 
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There is a lawsuit here in WA challenging pot legalization based on the fact that it is still illegal under federal law.
Tiny Fife Takes Center Stage In Marijuana Ban Lawsuit | KUOW News and Information

The Obama admin cut a deal with the WA gov to ignore federal law. This is contrary to article 1, section 1 of the US Constitution, which puts all legislative power in the hands of the legislative branch.

What if a state decided to stop enforcing the Brady Act, and a conservative atty gen cut a deal to go along with it? The MSM, liberals, and DC in general would be caterwauling continuously.

If there is a deal to be cut, it should be cut in the legislative branch in accordance with the Constitution. Maybe the GOP House would be amenable to mj legalization in exchange for repeal of Obamacare. The day we dump overboard rule of law is the day we dump any semblance of freedom.
In the deal, the DOJ reserves its right to pre-empt the law. It's a test. These were ballot initiatives, you know, the will of the people. I imagine the residents of a state could vote to stop enforcing the Brady Act. Give it a shot.

As far as Congress goes, Holder has stated that rescheduling or removing marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act is strictly up to the legislative branch.
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:44 AM
 
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Nobody I know under the age of 50 in Nebraska or Oklahoma is against the legalization of marijuana. Most think it's absolutely ridiculous that law enforcement still pursue charges against small time users.

The only people who hold the "Marijuana is Satan's temptation!" line are the Christian-right, mostly old frumpy Republicans who will die out soon anyway. Unfortunately, they also vote in much higher numbers than younger people, who hold jobs and want to relax on a Saturday afternoon with a joint while watching South Park.
Pot is stupid, there's no point to it and it makes you look bad(like a pothead). I believe in it for medical use, but there's not point in using it for recreational use.

You must not know a lot of people in Nebraska and Oklahoma. And did you take a survey of every person under 50 you know?

The baby boomers were the pot heads back in the day, interesting that you act like its only a "young vs old" issue.
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Old 12-19-2014, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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In the deal, the DOJ reserves its right to pre-empt the law. It's a test. These were ballot initiatives, you know, the will of the people. I imagine the residents of a state could vote to stop enforcing the Brady Act. Give it a shot.

As far as Congress goes, Holder has stated that rescheduling or removing marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act is strictly up to the legislative branch.
These were state ballot measures. A state ballot measure cannot overturn legislation enacted by Congress whether it is mj prohibition or the Brady Act. What if a state voted that the federal income tax no longer applied to its residents? What if 'the will of the people' in a particular state decided that Amendment XIII no longer would be followed?

As for Eric Holder, he states one thing, but does another. What are we to believe...his words, or his actions?

I don't have a huge problem with mj legalization. If it were up to me, I'd legalize all drugs, although I don't want to get a bill as taxpayer for the health consequences thereof. I do have a huge problem with bypassing rule of law and the US Constitution.
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