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Old 12-22-2014, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Sorry folks, but these last few pages remind me again about 'not relying on another for your earthly security, nor trust another for that matter.' Reliance is not saving/investing outside of any promised pension. Trusting is not monitoring how ones outside pension savings/investments are managed by another, whether a Vanguard, or Fidelity, Sally's Local Bank, or Joe Stockbroker.

I know my attitude seems hard, maybe even Ayn Randish. It is reality though.
The stock market is up, it is not because of bad investment. It is because membership is down for reasons I previously posted.
I know full well about demonic power against man by lucifer working in people. It is a very imperfect world and getting worse. Not hard to understand, just too true today.

Many don't see what is right. The word of anyone today means nothing. At one time a man could rely on a handshake because the people were upright and ethical. Today we do not have that standard . It is apparent. One cannot rely on a promise, a contract, nor anything like it.

And so man has fallen further down and ethics no longer exist , just as you said.
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This.

And to think Taratova keeps calling Obama a "communist" and a "socialist" for NOT requiring the fed gov to subsidize these private sector pensions. I don't think he/she understands the definitions of those words....
His/her comments only prove some people will complain about everything, no matter what happens. Yesterday it was too socialist, and today it's not socialist enough. Go figure.

"A troublemaker plants seeds of strife; gossip separates the best of friends"
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:49 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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How thick are the answers I am getting. You don't have a clue of where I am coming from yet I post where my stand it. Can anyone read and comprehend anything I post? This is fruitless. Obama is for the government workers, not the capitalist workers. I am not asking for a bailout. I am talking about why this happened. Unions have been dumped on for years by both parties. There is no representation for the American workers just the illegal workers.. can anyone read that and understand?

Obama is a socialist. YOu didn't build that.

How is requiring tax payers to subsidize PRIVATE pension plans not socialist, exactly?
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The stock market is up, it is not because of bad investment. It is because membership is down for reasons I previously posted.
I know full well about demonic power against man by lucifer working in people. It is a very imperfect world and getting worse. Not hard to understand, just too true today.

Many don't see what is right. The word of anyone today means nothing. At one time a man could rely on a handshake because the people were upright and ethical. Today we do not have that standard . It is apparent. One cannot rely on a promise, a contract, nor anything like it.

And so man has fallen further down and ethics no longer exist , just as you said.
There is no such thing as a 100% risk free investment. Those hand-shakes people relied on in the past, also backfired from time to time. Companies have always had the potential of running out of money. What has changed, is the attitude of people like you, who think the government will always bail people out.
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I am asking a very simple question, and you won't answer it. Where would the money come from. If the Dems lean too far to the right for you, then you'll have to find someone further left, like the cpusa maybe.

All I can say is that I hope people will see what is happening and learn to not reply too heavily on others for their retirement. Pension companies are running out of money, and people like you demand the government bail them out. It is not the taxpayers duty to bail out private companies.
I am not thinking about the money. It is the outcome of why this happened. It is the ethics of our government not protecting the American worker against the influx of illegals.. can't you understand that. I answered .. they will be cut.. and the American worker will get no representation . It will happen but it didn't need to happen if steps were taken to protect the unions from the onslaught of hiring illegals instead of union workers.
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Obama is a socialist. YOu didn't build that.
You are more socialist than Obama, and you are proving it with every post you make.
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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There is no such thing as a 100% risk free investment. Those hand-shakes people relied on in the past, also backfired from time to time. Companies have always had the potential of running out of money. What has changed, is the attitude of people like you, who think the government will always bail people out.
you are lying as usual. I never said bailout. You are the deceiver with your lying post. Do you always put lying words in people's mouth?
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I am not thinking about the money. It is the outcome of why this happened. It is the ethics of our government not protecting the American worker........
Of course it's about money. You complain the government is not bailing out pension companies. How will the government quarantee people get 100% benefits without money?
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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you are lying as usual. I never said bailout. You are the deceiver with your lying post. Do you always put lying words in people's mouth?
Your accusation is false. I am going by your own words.
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Old 12-22-2014, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You are more socialist than Obama, and you are proving it with every post you make.
No , just right is right. Obama is the socialist. A working man who puts into his penson should reap the benefits. Sorry you can't comprehend that. It is not welfare.

That is ok. God will provide and sort out what is righteous. A promise is important to God and so is a man's word. The world is corrupt and many people in it.
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