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Old 12-22-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I am not talking about government or state workers. You bet they get cushy lifestyles because of their big pensions and even get great healthcare unlike many of the blue collar union workers and get a average to low pension and many get no healthcare benefits at all. And now they are subject to getting cut by 60% of a modest pension. This would not happen to state or government workers. They are Obama's favorite workers. After all Obama loves big government and the Federal workers will trump the state workers any day of the week.
What about the bipartisan nature of this bill eludes you?
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Old 12-22-2014, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I do not agree to break a promise of a pension. Especially for blue collar workers who work extra hard physically . The pencil pushers generally get a very hefty pension.

The union leaders , some are for the penson cuts, some are for Obama making illegals legal giving them social security numbers, drivers licenses and then they will really trample on Americans and take their jobs. I have seen it in NJ.. NJ has the highest increase of illegals in the nation since 2009.

One lumber company in NJ , the last 10 or so workers hired were all illegals and some couldn't speak any english at all. At the end of the day , they sent the Union guys home , they had seniority for overtime. The illegals left too, but went back after the yard cleared out, and they got all the overtime because they were earning 15.00 an hour , and the Union guys were earning 17.50 or better an hour. So with their overtime, the illegals earned more than the union workers who got just 40 hours.
NJ is not a right to work state.

Just curious.

How was it possible for this lumber company to employ non Union workers, let alone undocumented workers, in the same capacity as Union workers?

How was it possible for this lumber company to favor the non unionized, undocumented workforce, with OT over unionized workers?
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Old 12-22-2014, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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You're all over the place and fail to address the solution, this is where we are now. So if you don't want the government to step in and save the pensions and you don't want pensions to be cut to keep solvent what exactly is your solution, put off the cuts for a few more years and bury your head in the sand, that is exactly what Detroit did do you propose the same?
Congress has been kicking this can for a long time. Government has been loaning funds to the PBGC to make pension payments when the private sector plans cannot do so, despite the statutory cap on the PBGC guarantee. It was an unsustainable situation.
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Old 12-22-2014, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The government did not fulfill their duty to the American people. They let illegals take over the construction industry and trucking industry and the Unions were hurt for years. This is the outcome of not upholding the law for Americans.
Your state government can impose biometric employee identification any time they care to do so. Why hasn't your state done so?
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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How thick are the answers I am getting. You don't have a clue of where I am coming from yet I post where my stand it. Can anyone read and comprehend anything I post? This is fruitless. Obama is for the government workers, not the capitalist workers. I am not asking for a bailout. I am talking about why this happened. Unions have been dumped on for years by both parties. There is no representation for the American workers just the illegal workers.. can anyone read that and understand?

Obama is a socialist. YOu didn't build that.
A Socialist would not hesitate to put the federal government on the hook for all private and municipal pension payments.
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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the law said it was guaranteed. It is not grandfathered in to protect those who are now getting a pension. Does that fact make any difference to you?

A 401K is not guaranteed. A pension is. Not anymore. Too many undocumented workers took the Union members jobs and the membership cannot support the pension fund. That is the fact. It has nothing to do with poor return on investments.

A friend read the letter he received from his union . He is from NJ and will be getting a cut on his pension even though he is an old retired black man who is not able bodied to work. He has been getting a pension for @ 5 years or so with 25 years in. Reasons stated for the cut. Not enough workers to fund the payouts.

I am in Florida . This does not affect me but I believe this is outrageous because for years the unions were not protected from the huge influx of illegals taking jobs from union workers because they worked cheaper.

There was a building boom in NJ and no one should have had a pension cut and they are still building in NJ.

Since 2009 NJ has had the more gains in illegals than any other state .
I am sorry many assumed the federal government guaranteed 100% of their private multiemployer pension plan.

I am sorry that many did not understand that there is a historical statutory, per beneficiary, cap on that guarantee.
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:14 AM
 
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They made a false promise they couldn't keep. Period.
Who is "they"?

What did "they" promise ?
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What about the bipartisan nature of this bill eludes you?
You don't read my posts. It didn't elude me, it eluded you..
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Who is "they"?

What did "they" promise ?
Boy, if you don't know sorry. You can't grasp the whole jest of it if you don't know the basics of what is going on.

Hint. It is NOT the government. But with government intrusion with legislation or no legislation in the past many years , they made the whole thing happen. Do you get my drift. Not the legislation of a month ago. The legislation the did and did NOT happen to protect the unions. They got the shaft many times over by both parties. Expected from the right, but not the left. The shaft came from the left because they are suppose to stand up for the working people, or they used to.
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I am sorry many assumed the federal government guaranteed 100% of their private multiemployer pension plan.

I am sorry that many did not understand that there is a historical statutory, per beneficiary, cap on that guarantee.
You don't know what they understand . Who are you to make vast statements of pensioners. The parties killed the unions.. the left forgot to protect them from the illegals taking union jobs. Or do you not want to recognize the truth that illegals took union jobs.. guess what, they did and many union members will tell you that. Make up your own story and believe it as usual. That is what the dems do.
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