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Old 01-01-2015, 07:30 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What has increased so that when I did it in 1985, I was paid $3.85/hr - that it should now pay $10+/hr ?

If it kept up with the hidden tax the Federal Reserve places on us, by manipulating the dollar, $10, is not even equal to $3.85 in 1985.
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Old 01-01-2015, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Just think, instead of income based tax every year, you as an individual, were taxed based upon your net wealth. An inventory of your assets, determining your payment to society.

The wealthy you are, the more you pay, base upon a set rate for everyone.
5% - 10% - 20% - 50% - 75% - 100% as long as everyone has the same rate not some curve.
Hiding assets would become a big game.


The you didn't build it theory at play.

Personally, if we are going to be taxed, it should be a consumption tax, not income or wealth based.
I agree. Consumption taxes encourage saving and require anyone who consumes to pay them. We'd pick up illegals and criminals who are currently not paying taxes on what they earn or own. Corporations would pay taxes on the raw materials they buy. I have no idea why we're sticking with an income tax.
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Old 01-01-2015, 07:43 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I agree. Consumption taxes encourage saving and require anyone who consumes to pay them. We'd pick up illegals and criminals who are currently not paying taxes on what they earn or own. Corporations would pay taxes on the raw materials they buy. I have no idea why we're sticking with an income tax.


Taxed for consuming resources of the nation. Material and human.
Not the prosperity, where it penalizes you for being productive.
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Old 01-01-2015, 08:05 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Consider the proposed FairTax as an example of a national consumption tax.

Homeowner buys existing home - no tax. Homeowner also gets preferential property tax rate.

Renter rents the same existing home pays 30% tax on the rent he pays. Rental property tax rate is higher than homeowner property tax rate, and as part of the rent he paysm he even pays 30% on top of the higher property tax.

A renter who pays over a lifetime an extra 30% to rent - if he can't afford to save money by buying a house he can't afford to retire either.

Who is proposing that?
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Old 01-01-2015, 10:06 PM
 
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I agree. Consumption taxes encourage saving and require anyone who consumes to pay them. We'd pick up illegals and criminals who are currently not paying taxes on what they earn or own. Corporations would pay taxes on the raw materials they buy. I have no idea why we're sticking with an income tax.

Only if homeowners pay tax on their housing consumption just as renters pay tax on their housing consumption.
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Old 01-01-2015, 10:09 PM
 
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Who is proposing that?

http://archive.fairtax.org/

The facts about Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan | PolitiFact

National Retail Sales Tax
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Old 01-02-2015, 04:29 AM
 
Location: *
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I think if one is considering a 'fair tax,' it makes sense to consider whether people (as individuals) & corporations (individually) are taxed fairly.

Corporations are not people. Equating corporative entities with people begins as a false premise. It's no wonder this faulty premise has led to no solutions (or reasonable outcomes). Syllogistic reasoning demands beginning with, at least, a plausible premise. One of the illogical & faith-based ideologies enabling this type of illogical narrative (& faulty premise) is free market fundamentalism.

This (& other unreasonable ideologies) seems to place a Peoples' financial sovereignty in the 'hands' of Corporations (sometimes with suggestions of 'privatization') or, in the nonexistent 'Invisible Hand' of ??? (I think using the adjective 'invisible' to describe provides a clue to this mind set.) Legal however fictional characters (Corporations) owe no allegiance or responsibility to the people. The model is designed to avoid liability & not to encourage responsibility.
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:14 PM
 
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Only if homeowners pay tax on their housing consumption just as renters pay tax on their housing consumption.
What is "housing consumption"?
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:16 PM
 
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I think if one is considering a 'fair tax,' it makes sense to consider whether people (as individuals) & corporations (individually) are taxed fairly.

Corporations are not people. Equating corporative entities with people begins as a false premise. It's no wonder this faulty premise has led to no solutions (or reasonable outcomes). Syllogistic reasoning demands beginning with, at least, a plausible premise. One of the illogical & faith-based ideologies enabling this type of illogical narrative (& faulty premise) is free market fundamentalism.

This (& other unreasonable ideologies) seems to place a Peoples' financial sovereignty in the 'hands' of Corporations (sometimes with suggestions of 'privatization') or, in the nonexistent 'Invisible Hand' of ??? (I think using the adjective 'invisible' to describe provides a clue to this mind set.) Legal however fictional characters (Corporations) owe no allegiance or responsibility to the people. The model is designed to avoid liability & not to encourage responsibility.
Why don't you start a thread about all this fiction, so we can discuss it on topic.

It needs to be debunked as the nonsense it is.
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Old 01-03-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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Why don't you start a thread about all this fiction, so we can discuss it on topic.

It needs to be debunked as the nonsense it is.
Some folks giving orders & others obeying them.

How unusual.
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